is no guns, meggs wrote, so mace and gas masks. some batons. if you have armor, that's good.t to argue against releasing meggs from jail before trial. he has pleaded not guilty. the justice department also says it has credit card receipts showing meggs reserved four rooms here in washington, d.c. they also have records of meetings that he held planning sessions for the january 6th insurrection. pam, his wife connie meggs is also an oath keeper member and has been seen in the past as a bodyguard for longtime trump confidante roger stone. >> thank you so much. let's bring in evan perez. the two men who attacked brian sicknick have only been charged with assault. could this open them up to murder charges? >> this is the video used to detain them while they await trial, and one of the things that's still missing is the official, the final medical examiner findings to show what was the cause of death for officer sicknick. right now as you pointed out, they're only charged with assaulting sicknick and two other officers, and the key thing that made this such a difficult case for in

court papers discussed meggs rallying 50 oath keepers to d.c.ised there are no guns and advises to bring mace, masks, batons, and body armor. then he wrote on february 26th, then wait for the 6th when we're all in d.c. for the snurks. >> it allows a prosecutor to get into so much more evidence and to bring in so many more potential defendants. >> he's currently being held in jail. cnn is one of 14 news outlets to file a foia request to try to get more footage relevant to that incident with officer brian sicknick on january 6th. the department of justice, alisyn, played ten clips earlier this week. >> whitney, thank you very much for that reporting. joining us now is cnn law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. he's the former director of the fbi. until now it's horrible to imagine what officer sicknick endured. now we can see the horrible onslaught that he endured with the bear spray and the cannesster being sprayed into his face, and i was -- you know, the prosecutor mentioned this. even ten minutes after the incident, officer sicknick appears to

three days later, christmas day, meggs wrote to someone about the proud boys.er. we are going to march with them, for a while. then, fall back to the back of the crowd. and turn off. then, we will have the proud boys get in front of them. we will come in, behind antifa. and beat the hell out of them. prosecutors say the communication shows evidence of coordination. but have yet to allege conspiracy, between the groups. something, that at least ten oath keepers have been charged with, along with several proud boys. court filings show meggs discussing rallying 50-to-100 oath keepers to washington for january 6th. in one message, meggs had also sent a list of gear to bring including body armor and weapons. d.c. is no guns, meggs wrote. so, mace and gas masks, some batons, if you have armor, that's good. all of the communication, released by the justice department, to argue against releasing meggs from jail before his trial. he has pleaded not guilty. >> alex marquardt joins us, now. so, alex, i assume that they have not been able to directly, at this stage, link o

three days later on christmas, meggs allegedly laid out the gear members should bring. d.c.o mace and gas masks, some batons. if you have armor, that's good. prosecutors are laying out this evidence of coordination between the proud boys and the oath keepers. but they're still not alleging a full-fledged conspiracy. instead, several members of each group are facing their own conspiracy charges. but that's for the actions they allegedly took within their own groups. don. >> thank you, jessica. appreciate that. joining me now, cnn legal analyst, elie honig. appreciate you joining us, as well. good evening to you. you heard the evidence. prosecutors say it proves a high degree of communication and coordination between the oath keepers and the proud boys, before that riot on january 6th at the capitol. how significant is this new evidence? >> yeah, don, so the conspiracy charges are going to be enormously important here. first of all, they are going to allow the prosecutors to tell the jury and the american public, the whole story. how was this planned? who was in on it beforeha

the meggs took a course on how to attack and kill people. >> they have them in a bald faced lie. they've gone up and up to the main organizers and looked at their social media, their pictures. >> reporter: the husband and wife have pleaded not guilty. their attorney says the photos were from a firearm's safety course. a judge has just ordered that connie meggs be released pending trial but has ordered that her husband kelly remain behind bars. while monitors of militia groups say it's part of an established pattern with the oath keepers. >> the oath keepers are known for some of the weapons training they do. part of training and being part of oath keepers or other extremist groups is rhetorical training. >> reporter: this comes as former president trump not only glossed over but lied about the violent nature of the mob on january 6th in an interview with fox news. >> it was zero threat right from the start it was zero threat. >> reporter: zero threat despite reams of video showing rioters swinging clubs and tree branches at police officers, hitting them with flag poles, punching

again, this is a message from kelly meggs, allegedly one of the leaders of the oath keepers group thathis day. prosecutors are making the argument that this shows there was a level of coordination and a level of planning for the violence that they carried out on january 6th. now, what these messages don't show is that there was some overarching conspiracy to attack the capitol. we'll see whether this evidence is what the judges use to say that this -- meggs should remain in jail until his trial. >> all right. evan, thank you very much. >>> also this morning, vice president kamala harris speaking out, addressing the concerns raised by very prominent asian-american lawmakers about the lack of asian-american representation in the white house. listen here. >> we are very proud that among our cabinet we have majority people of color. we are very -- it's historic in that way. we are proud we have an equal number of women and men. there's still more work to be done. >> the two democratic senators are so angry, they threatened to oppose biden cabinet nominees. the white house responded by agre

another court filing apparently shows meggs wife cony at a florida book signing early in december. prosecutors shared messages from kelly meggs they say show the oath keepers were coordinating their armed presence in d.c. with the proud boys. according to the documents december 19th he sent a facebook message reading, quote, we're waiting for rioters. this week i organized an alliance between the oath keepers, florida three%ers and proud boys. a week later he sent another message saying, quote, we've orchestrated a plan with the proud boys. i've been communicating with redacted the leader. that certainly looks like evidence of coppiring to do this thing. then a really telling message comes the next day when he meggs writes, quote wait for the 6th when we're all in d.c. to insurrection. his words. we also learned a lot more today about the circumstances surrounding an attack on capitol police officer brian sicknick who of course later died. several "the new york times" reporters did an outstanding job using video from the insurrection to isolate the attack on officer sicknick as wel

kelly meggs saying trump is staying in. he's going to use the emergency broadcast system on cell phones to broadcast to the american people that he will claim the insurrection act. so that's who they thought they were going to be helping on that day. andy, obviously, we're just getting this information p. we'll keep reading through this. there may be more information over the next several minutes. appreciate it. >>> vice president kamala harris calling on congress to act on gun reform after the colorado massacre. what will this pressure do? hi sabrina! >>hi jen! so this aveeno® moisturizer goes beyond just soothing sensitive skin? exactly jen! calm + restore oat gel is formulated with prebiotic oat. and strengthens skin's moisture barrier. uh! i love it! aveeno® healthy. it's our nature.™ tempur-pedic's mission is to give you truly transformative sleep. so, no more tossing and turning... because only tempur-pedic's proprietary material adapts and responds to your body. so you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. during the luxe e

defendant kelly meggs, the leader was communicating with members of the so-called proud boys in the weeks up to the capitol attack. kelly meggs wrote in december, "i organized an alliance between oath keepers, the florida three percenters." he called us all to the capitol and wants us to make it wild. donald trump put it on writing on december 19th, 2020. donald trump tweeted "big protests in d.c. on january 6th, be there. will be wile." joining us now is andrew wiseman. one of the lead prosecutors at the mueller investigation. andrew, what to make of this new video, what it tells us of the kind of evidence that prosecutors have that would accomplish the actual results on officer sicknick? >> i hope better evidence than that, lawrence. you know this is prosecutor's dreams and a defense's lawyer nightmare is having the defendant on video tape committing the crime. this is sensationally good proof. it is the kind of proof that when you are a defense lawyer, you have a serious talk about your client cooperating with the government. it is a very, very strong case. this is something with the p

in december, meggs wrote, "i organized an alliance between oath keepers, florida 3%ers and proud boys. we have decided to work together." he later referred to the proud boys as a force multiplier. in a week before the riot, meggs claimed a heavy qrf or quick reaction force would be on standby to support their efforts. he added, "we are all in d.c. to insurrection." his lawyer did not respond to requests for comment. the allegations surface as more details of the riot come into focus. new video obtained by "the new york times" shows how rioter julian chaiter allegedly used bear spray at close range against capitol police including brian sicknick who can be seen doubling over. sicknick later died of injuries sustained in the riot. khater and george tan i can't say -- tan ios face charges. for "cbs this morning," i'm catherine herridge in washington. >>> ahead, crews are scrambling to free a skyscraper-sized cargo ship stuck in the suez canal in egypt. how it caused the world's biggest traffic jam and >>> ahead, dozens of states are considering new limits on voting. we'll talk with one o

according to prosecutors kelly meggs wrote in december, "i organized an alliance between oath keepersthree percenters and proud boys, we have decided to work together and shut this -- stuff down." in a separate message said he was coming at donald trump's invitation, saying quote, he called us all to the capitol and wants us to make it wild. in fact donald trump put that in writing on december 19th, 2020. donald trump tweeted "big protests in d.c. on january 6th, be there. will be wild ". joining us now is andrew wiseman. former fbi general counsel, one of the lead prosecutors in the mueller investigation. msnbc legal analyst. andrew, what to make of this new video, what it tells us of the kind of evidence that prosecutors have that would establish the actual assault on officer sicknick? >> you don't get better evidence than that, lawrence. you know this is prosecutor's dreams and a defense's lawyer nightmare is having the defendant on video tape committing the crime. this is sensationally good proof. it is the kind of proof that when you are a defense lawyer, you have a serious talk

meggs was charged days ago.ying to keep him in custody pending trial and have to convince a judge to do so. a few days ago they made the same arguments that virginia accused oath keepers should stay in custody. they lost that fight. it feels like the bar is getting higher and higher for what judges need to see to keep defendants in custody. it could be a months if not a year before trials happen, ayman. >> live for us in washington, d.c., scott macfarlane. thank you. >>> more here from the u.s./mexico border. what we know about conditions children are being kept in, in detention centers like the one behind me. you're watching msnbc. behind me. you're wchating msnbc. my retirement plan with voya keeps me moving forward... even after paying for this. love you, sweetheart they guide me with achievable steps that give me confidence. this is my granddaughter...she's cute like her grandpa. voya doesn't just help me get to retirement... ...they're with me all the way through it. come on, grandpa! later. got grandpa thi

meggs is alleged to be a leader of the oath keepers here in washington on january 6th and according toges they are talking ahead of time, talking about marching with these proud boys and what they say is that they believe they are going to run into antifa activists and then they are going to beat the hell out of them, again, quoting from the court documents that prosecutors have filed. now, what is not in these documents so far, jake, is any evidence or any indication from prosecutors that these groups had an overarching conspiracy of what to do once they got to the capitol whether they were going to take it over. that's something that would be a much bigger deal than what is alleged right now. >> evan perez at the justice department, thanks so much. let's discuss with the panel. arba, let's start with you. what do you make of this new video? >> it's -- it's awful to watch. i think that what we'll need to see is whether prosecutors are going to elevate the charges against these individuals which are right now for conspiracy to injure and assault a law enforcement officer to murder. i t

another court filing apparently shows meggs' wife was shown at a book signing.o the documents on december 19th, megs said we are rita for the rioters. this week i organize an alliance between oath keepers and proud boys. we've decided to work together and shut this expletive down. a week later, we have orchestrated a plan with the proud bows. i've been communicated with, redacted. the really telling message is the next day when he writes, quote, wait for the 6th t when we are all in d.c. to insurrection. his words. he might as wells have said we are conspireing against the united states government. we learned more about the circumstances surrounding an attack on police officer brian sicknick who of course later died. several new york times reporters did an outstanding job using videos from the insurrection to isolate the attack on officer sicknick, as well as tracking the men who attacked him around the capitol grounds. evan joins me now. first of all action evan, it was on incredible video investigative work, which kind of blew my mind as i watched. let's start

is no guns meggs wrote so mace and gas masks, batons, if you have armor, that's good.o argue against releasing meggs from jail before trail. he's pleaded not guilty. >> alex, i assume they have not been able to directly, at this stage, link officer sicknick being sprayed with a chemical agent and his death, have they. >> they haven't and investigators haven't said what the official cause of death is. they haven't been able to tie, the medical examiner hasn't tied the use of the chemical spray to his death. it is incredibly powerful stuff, anderson. another of the officers, they were all temporarily blinded said that during her training, it was more powerful than any of the pepper spray that she had experienced. so that's why they are -- prosecutors are using this video that has been obtained by "the new york times." these two men are still in detention and tried here in washington d.c. anderson. >> alex marquardt, thanks. andrew is back with us. >> what do you see when you see this new video? >> well, i mean, it disgusting. i it's -- you know, watching these videos how

three days later on christmas meggs laid out the gear they should bring. d.c.ave armor that's good. >> reporter: while prosecutors are laying out this evidence of the coordination between the proud boys and oath keepers they are still not alleging a full-fledged conspiracy here. instead, several members of each group, they are facing their own conspiracy charges, but that's for the actions that they allegedly took within their own groups. pamela. >> that's interesting. cnn's jessica schneider, thanks so much. we have former fbi director joshua school and former assistant secretary of homeland security elizabeth newman and member of defending democracy together. great to have you on. we just heard jessica's report and saw this disturbing video and give us your reaction with the bear spray assault on officer sicknick. how big is the evidence and the case against these two men. >> i think the evidence is significant. i think you also have to look to see whether or not those men are tied to the actual attack on the officer. the pepper spray clearly disabled them. y

court filings reveal social media messages showing a member of the oath keepers militia group, kelly meggso be plotting with other extremist groups, including the three percenters and proud boys, weeks before the january 6 attack on the capitol. "we have decided to work together," he wrote in a december 19 facebook message. and later claimed to have orchestrated a plan with the proud boys. in another message, he described thproud boyss a ceier," ad, "t h main group of proud boys and come up behind them, expletive, crush them for good." and here, promised a heavy q.r.f., or quick reaction force, ten minutes from the capitol. federal prosecutors tell cbs news they're weighing possible sedition charges against some of the hundreds arrested. >> here there is no argument that it's just talk, and by the same token, no argument that it's protected speech. once you're throwing fire hydrants and spraying bear spray and storming the capitol, and breaking windows, that's not political speech by any measure. >> reporter: also tonight, dramatic new video showing the moment alleged rioter julian katter

. >>> prosecutors presented these photos in their attempt to prove that meggs and her husband is still being held in jail. they took a class on how to attack people. she rebutted that claim. >> over and in the capitol. >> donovan has been released. he's the four members of the ten oath keepers charged in the federal case. the judge defending his decision saying liberty is the norm for pretrial. another federal judge in pennsylvania -- >> and those who cheered on the violence or entered the capitol after others cleared the way. >> so jessica, the court hearing you are reporting on, lawmakers demanding documents from former trump's employees, do you know what they are looking for? >> this is congress taking over here. they want documents of what trump house knew about the plan and all communications before january 6th, anything that discussing the counting of the electoral college votes and any discussion of potential protest or the possible violence and they want communications after january 6th and they're demanding a number of documents from people and agencies and that includes trump

two weeks before the riots meggs wrote we have made contact with the proud boys.istmas day he wrote to someone with the proud boys saying i've been communicating with the leader, we are going to march with them for a while then fall back to the back of the crowd and turn off, then we will have the proud boys get in front of them, we will come in behind antifa and beat the hell out of them. prosecutors say the communication shows evidence of coordination but have yet to allege conspiracy between the groups, something ten oath keepers have been charged with as well as proud boys. megs discussing rallied for january 6th. he had sent a list of beer to bring including body armor and weapons. d.c. is no guns, megs wrote, so mace and gas masks, with a tons, if you have armor that's good. all of the communication released by the justice department to argue against releasing megs from jail before his trial. he has pleaded not guilty. the department of justice also says that it has credit card receipts showing that megs used four hotel rooms here in washington, d.c. and tha

we saw that in the text messages of kelly meggs, the oath keeper leader from florida.t messages having been released just a few days ago. so what he says, as absurd and offensive as it is, it resonates with this community. and it signals them to take future action. so i think this is definitely not helping the current threat level that we're experiencing from domestic violent extremists. >> and remember what prompted that insurrection was the big lie at the president perpetrated. the big lie about the result of the election and that brings me to ask you about dominion, the voting company, the voting system company now suing fox news for $1.6 billion. beyond the money amount, the facts that they are standing up and saying, you helped perpetrate this lie about us, vis-a-vis the election. your thoughts? >> well, i mean, my first thought was, good for them. they are going right to the source of, you know, the amplification of this falsehood, this false grievance that's driven us to such an extreme place in this country. but i think it's going to be fascinating to watch. we

between december 12th and january 4th, prosecutors said meggs organized and participated in approximately ten online discussions that were affiliated with the oathkeepers. he led and planned the group's activities and paid for two hotel rooms in washington, the court filing said. the documents do not allege that the group formulated a plan to attack the capitol before arriving in washington. so, joe, we have government moving forward, but still this massive set of questions around the capitol attacks. there are way smaller things across the country that are investigated and seen out for the public to see and justice served far quicker than anything that has happened with this incredible assault on our democracy. >> well, it seems, richard, that the federal prosecutors are really trying to make sure they have everything lined up, especially for those that they would charge with conspiracy to commit sedition. you listen to that reporting, and it certainly seems like you are ticking down the requirements of the federal statute for sedition, and possibly a conspiracy between these groups. >>