joining us to talk about the incarceration of indigenous youngsters meghan crocker is director of the national suicide prevention and trauma recovery project naomi murphy is a community activist and christy sharma is a senior research out with human rights watch we also asked the government's national indigenous australians agency to join us but they toned down our invitation bought they did send a statement and i will be sharing that with you a little bit later on ladies thank you so much for being part of today's show make and there were just 2 numbers that are in my head right now one is 10 that's the age of criminal responsibility. the other one is 15 times more indigenous youngsters are incarcerated the white young says in australia those 2 numbers are shock. what does that mean to families and if we take it away from numbers and we talk about family what does that mean. it means that it's broken families families that it can be said of a subjected to racism or discrimination. marginalization pretty clear over here in which mr i am as mentioned in the other video here we have a m