let's call it what it is -- meisner incident. let's call it what it is ——a meisner incident.turn on to live images and ucb put arguing, shouting at one another, it's because they are angry —— you see people arguing. in fairness, what we have two say is that, when initial reports come in, and when you refer to a vehicle collision, thatis you refer to a vehicle collision, that is a phrase that came from the metropolitan police, because of course we hear about incidents all the time, but actually very few of them turn out into major things like this, but you don't really know what's going on, so i think that expression, a collision with a vehicle came from the metropolitan police while they are still investigating it. now, of course, we are starting to get more details that are making this look much more serious, as you say. jermaine, another line we are getting is from the sun newspaper, reporting that two worshippers are feared dead. is that something you've heard down there? that's the last newspaper i'd be reading right now! but i have heard stories of people definitely... i