this was something that was created out of whole cloth by mel weinberg and the fbi to entrap politiciansme. >> chuck, chuck, this is one time in our long history together i'm 180 from you. i don't want a politician representing me in congress who's a mouse that goes for the cheese. >> look, i'm saying they made idiots of themselves. >> not idiots, they took the money. >> but they were entrapped. let's remember, they were entrapped. >> so is the guy on the street corner sell drugs when the cop comes by. who is the guy who thinks it's a hooker and it's not a hooker. you tell me that these guys normally wouldn't take the money, is that what you're saying? >> well, obviously that's not the case because as -- you know, there's larry pressler, for instance, is out today. he was one of the few guys who famously turned down the money on tape and he's seen as doing that. he put up an ad but it's funny in talking to the players at the time, they do mention that while some never took the money, no member of congress truly went to the fbi and blew the whistle on this. >> let me tell you how it worke