nutter. can you talk about some of the programs to make college here affordable. >> sure. i think that when melanie talked about not only at the secondary level, the top program having an impact on the k through 12 experience, certainly you see as was mentioned earlier, many of our colleges and universities trying to get away from the loans. we have been talking to the local institutions here trying to increase financial aid from a grant standpoint. we have a number of great colleges and universities, not only here in pennsylvania, but in the tri-state area, 101 colleges and universities. i meet with the college presidents, college and university presidents on a regular basis. we talk about this issue of afford ability. one, we want more young people in philadelphia to be able to attend a college or university in the tri-state area, try to hold on to our folks and tuition often is a major barrier. the mayor's office of education, our philly goes to college program, we are helping young people get access to the grants and trying to stay away from loans and work with our colleges, our universities to