joining me now, joe johns and melanie sloan, currently executive director for citizens of responsibilitynd ethics in washington. next year she'll go into private practice with lanny davis. melanie, is congressman rangel corrupt? he says it's not corruption because he wasn't personally benefiting financially but is there an argument to be made? >> i think there is. i think if you ask most americans, they'd think that if you're getting a bunch of apartment that's other people couldn't have access to, that if you're trading on your influence in congress in order to raise money for basically a big monument to me, people would have problems with those kind of things, as well as a tax violations, for example, failing to disclose income, those are things that directly benefited mr. rangel. >> you were at the house today, what was his mood like? >> humiliated, no. contrite, no. apologetic, yes. admitting that he did something wrong and needed to be punished, yes, but bottom line was he thought it was too much punishment and the interesting thing was watching the dynamics in the house, he was sur