>> melek: yeah. you can. >> anthony: so it's reasonably affordable. >> melek: yeah.nk living space is becoming less, like everywhere. >> anthony: do you think this is a pretty town? every -- most of the people i speak to say, "well, you know, we're a very ugly city." >> melek: yeah. >> anthony: but i don't think so. i think it's very pretty. >> melek: everything was destroyed after the second world war. >> anthony: yeah, it's not the most beautiful city in the world, but it is not an ugly city, i mean, at all. >> melek: hmm, i think, i'm more with the ugly city. >> anthony: you think it's ugly. >> melek: the buildings are new, ugly, gray, like made up after the second world war. there's only small, old town. >> anthony: right. >> melek: i miss the old buildings like in munich. >> anthony: so 20 years from now, will cologne be the same? >> melek: i don't know. i don't want to think about it because now it's fine. i love it as it is now. >> anthony: i don't hear that a lot. you go to san francisco, rio, there are pressing problems, or that the character of the city is