commissioner melgar, please. >> one last thing. i will defer from my fellow commissioners that i actually haven't heard anything that convinces me that we need a third party, you know, entity. i really haven't. so i think that bringing in yet another set of folks who need to be brought up to speed and understand the minutia of what we need to delay this process even more. i'm just putting it out there, i just really don't see the need for it. what i do see the need for is for folks to just, you know, keep through -- i am actually very convinced kupb byron by ron tom. you've only been at it a year and you need to keep going. i think there is a possibility that we're going to need more resources and i'm actually pretty comfortable with that. i think weighing the risks versus the investment, bringing us up to 21st century technology, it's a risk we have to take. sorry, guys, i don't think we should be either pausing nor bringing in a third party, i think we need to keep going. i am swayed also by the consultants who have advised us to

commissioner melgar? >> i just need a clarification because i'm not sure what you mean when you say, we need a pause. because having been in these kinds of projects before if we say, okay, we're going to have a pause that means that the vendor's not involved, not incurring costs? because if that's the case then that really worries me because i feel like those guys need to be engaged. if they get reassigned, the company is still going to employ their people and they're going to be paying them. they're going to be working on something else. by the time 4 or 5 months, we get our act together and hire them back again to be on this job there's a lot that's lost. so i want you to define what you mean by a pause, please. >> commissioner walker, i don't think we can answer that question now. do you think? i don't. can that question be answered right now? it can. go ahead, commissioner henry, sorry. >> what we mean by pause, i think i spoke to but probably too briefly, is with the situation where we know that we d

president melgar, here. vice president clinch, here. vice president mccarthy, here. commissioner mccray, present. commissioner walker, here. commissioner lee, here. we have a quorum and the next item is item b, the oat. will all parties giving testimony today please stand and raise your right hand. no one here. the next item is item c >> i think we're checking to see if any of the apellants are out in the corridor just in case so they don't lose their chance. >> just a moment, we're checking for the appellants. item c, is approval of minutes, discussion and ps action it adopt the minutes for a meeting held on august 15, 2015. >> move to approve. >> second. >> the motion and second, any public comment? are all commissioners in favor? any opposed? minutes submitted are approved. and also wanted pars3 do we hear even if the apellants don't show up? do we hear or can we? >> we have two cases. >> i think you could do either. i think you could make a decision because they had notice of the hearing. you could also continue it to another hearing and provide them note is agai

commissioner melgar?> i just need a clarification because i'm not sure what you mean when you say, we need a pause. because having been in these kinds of projects before if we say, okay, we're going to have a pause that means that the vendor's not involved, not incurring costs? because if that's the case then that really worries me because i feel like those guys need to be engaged. if they get reassigned, the company is still going to employ their people and they're going to be paying them. they're going to be working on something else. by the time 4 or 5 months, we get our act together and hire them back again to be on this job there's a lot that's lost. so i want you to define what you mean by a pause, please. >> commissioner walker, i don't think we can answer that question now. do you think? i don't. can that question be answered right now? it can. go ahead, commissioner henry, sorry. >> what we mean by pause, i think i spoke to but probably too briefly, is with the situation where we know that we don

commissioner mar commissioner mccray commissioner walker and commissioner mar commissioner president melgar is excused next item to the oath all parties giving testimony please stand and raise your right hand do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth? to the best of your acknowledge okay. thank you you may be seated the next item is item c one 2 c 16 and these items shall be heard together first, this is a request for rehearing and the aa b will hear the requests on the items together the aa b in some or all of the cases they will proceeded to rehear the cases the initial request appellant come forward has 7 minutes. >> sorry the case numbers are 6804, 2846 washington street heard on may 2015 6805, 2856 washington street and 6806, 2846 washington street and another one i apologize the 2858 the request for rehearing on this case washington have the 2862, and case no. 680823 to divisadero street. >> good morning melinda with reuben, junius & rose i'm here representing the owners of 7 condo unit in two separate building

commissioner melgar, yes. commissioner walker, yes. and commissioner lee, yes. motion carries unanimously. item 7, discussion regarding noe street. >> good morning, commissioners, ron tom, executive drktor. i am going to speak to the commission about 571 noe street which was put on the agenda by commissioner mar at last month's meeting. i have pictures from google map that provides months and years for the progress of work or lack of work on this project. this is march 2013, what it looked like before work was done and a picture of it in november 2013, still no barricade or work, evidence of work being done. and march 2014 we can see a barricade having been placed on the project. august, the activity, there's no activity on this, the project is still barricaded and finally from december 2014 we also have the same condition. so the reason i put this up is just for background. we know the job has been stopped and currently there's no work on the project, inspector bernie curran has been out there, he has pictures also, the picture of the most current status and he

it is not a straight line between those two points that's what i'm seeing commissioner president melgar. >> can do you do when you have a survey it is over the line an inch one half what do you do in the field. >> what we try to do is use common sense and judgment and understand a hundred and 16-year-old wall may have movement over the years and in cases where it is obvious it is straddling the property line we write one for both sides and they'll have the responsibility we didn't have access to this survey back in may this is a new survey point one survey points on the wall it does show on over ridge of .3 unlawful so the wall is not a straight line between the corner and the survey point it is deformed another that point in my opinion. >> so i'm just going back to what you advised us when we are heard that this is when the department didn't get into civil argument but to try and get it fixed we expeditecy with what did you say. >> we don't get into the legal let me see. >> i concur we made a decision i was clear if it was was over the wall we needed a survey and he think that bans wha

commissioner mar commissioner mccray commissioner walker and commissioner mar commissioner president melgar is excused next item to the oath all parties

commissioner mar commissioner mccray commissioner walker and commissioner mar commissioner president melgar is excused next item to the oath all parties giving testimony please stand and raise your right hand do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth? to the best of your acknowledge okay. thank you you may be seated the next item

president melgar, here. vice president clinch, here. vice president mccarthy, here.ommissioner mccray,