joining us now is melisa murray. co-host of the podcast and michelle goldberg publicist for the "new york times." >> ladies, last show before election day. what i think, i mean, it is all stressful, right? one of the factors that makes it extra stressful is the notion that these kind of potentially inconsequential factors like weather or traffic or rain just how someone gets, feels getting up that day, those could be the votes that decide who is president in 2025. i wonder how you are thinking about the margin right now and the sort of risk of factors if you will, michelle? >> reporter: i think the margin it is so dark about this country. 30% of the population or 40% of the population was going to vote for donald trump you could still sort of say, what has gone wrong in american society that this is attractive to people. so, i mean it is, it is truly terrifying that, you know, our democratic birth right so many of the liberal democratic assumptions that we grew up to pass on to our children are just a salute coin fli