melissa murray is joining me now.elcome to you both. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you. >> professor ,murray let's begin with you. who was at the top of the list of potential nominees t replace justice kennedy. >> there's a list of about 25 potential nominees vetted b two conservative groups. the key words with all of these potential nominees is they're reliably conservative. at the top of the list are amy kony barrett, a judge from the seventh circuit and brett kavanaugh. these are theront-runners right now. >> judge barrett has in the past expressed ber catholielief and her belief that life begins at conception. we have brett kavanaugh who was a top kdeputy to independent counsel starr during the clinton inveson. what was at the crux of this. seems they are trying to avoid a situation where george h.w. bush nominated someone who was more liberal than conservatives wanted. >> that's true. they want someone who will be a reliable vote on key issuehey believe will come before the court in coming years. >> what are

melissa: we are joined by brad blakeman, former assistant to george w. bush and dave brown former senior adviser and the committee counsel to patty murray and democratic strategistresh the audience memory, here is a bit of the interview that caused the controversy in the first place. >> do you feel like you owe her an apology? >> no, i do -- i do not -- i never talked to her. but i did say publicly on mor than one occasion sorry. that is very different. the apology was public. >> melissa: he said he didn't get out of it scot-free and came out of the presidency $16 million in debt. brad, maybe one of the problem is he is in the interview he got angry. and he sort of made it sounds like he felt he was the victim of the whole situation. what do you think? >> the hubbub is he a serial fredor and he can't bring himself to make a personal apology to the victim who he victimized in the white house. this was the intern's first job to be hit on by the president of the united states. it's unconscionable. anybody else would be fired on the spot and run out of town. this is brought on by himself, his personal behavior that reflected his professional behavior. the clintons a