i love giving melissa props. bring it back whenever you want. the point is, this company had a very easy comparison year over year in january, when they reported. they disappointed on the services numbers. and investors, that's the story. that's why it's in the penalty box. >> you make a great point that ibm is no longer a hardware manufacturer. >> exactly. >> they sold off their laptop business and now they're largely a services business as opposed to hp which makes computers and printers and all that. let's get back to the trade. it's well known, i love risk reversals, and this is a perfect example. the stock only has to rally $5 for dan's risk reversal to start participating in the upside. on the other hand, the stock has to break $10 before i get the stock put to me. one thing, dan said the trade's going to cost 15 cents. that's true. that's money out of pocket. you have to leave some money in your account, though, for margin because if the stock does fall it's going to be put to you. you're going to have to end up buying it. >> that's a ver