and so there was this myth even in his own lifetime, herman melville actually in one passage of mobyim favorably to hercules. so in his own lifetime he had to live with this mythology, and i guess, like jeff, i was interested in sort of the contrast between the myth and the real person. and that's what really fueled and animated the book. >> we're finding in the time in which we live that the story of the west and western history is a much contested ground in america and it's part of what a lot of people call the culture war that is going on for sort of the hearted soul of our national identity. all of these characters are western characters. i consider bonnie and clyde along with pretty boy floyd ann dellinger, who was captured actually by the arizona authorities not far from where we are sitting and sent back to india. i survey consider bonnie and clyde the last kind of western outlaws. and they were identified with the west that but all of them are steeped in the kind of controversy we see in western history today and so of course it certainly custer, is at the center and has been