and this relationship between the mentor and minty -- mentee, and now i am a mentor, and i think is fascinating for black people to cook, because for so many generations, to get out of the kitchen, now we have to work really, really hard to get back into the kitchen. we are not there. >> there -- tavis: there are two things to me to this very day. i do not know if it would change, but there are two things that tickle me. i have seen joy. as ironic as that sounds. oftentimes, if the pilot knows i am on the plane, he will walk out and introduce himself. "mr. smiley, i am glad to have you on my flight." i get tickled when i find out that it is an african-american. it does not happen that much. i travel, and i am in a restaurant, and i want to go eat, and if the ship comes out and offers to introduce themselves, and they turn out to be black, i just am guilty -- giddy, because i know how hard it is to get there. >> i think integration and segregation is part of it. back in the day, all of the restaurants were black of, all of the hotels were black of, and all of the shops -- all of the hotels were