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he will go on truth social and blame judge merchan.will levy the attacks he's already levying against judge merchan, but it will explode in magnitude, because trump will feel so personally hurt, wounded and aggrieved that he will want to go after the judge. what we don't know is the effects of that. his supporters have this track record of listening to trump when he airs his grievances, and then acting on them, and all it takes is for one supporter to go after judge merchan, and things could get very ugly. >> very ugly. charles, trump's threats of revenge and his social media calls for members of the january 6th committee to be indicted, will those be in his probation report? will they be a factor in his sentencing? >> i think public statements that donald trump has made will, invariably, make it into the calculus around his ultimate sensing, whether it is from the probation report, or observations that judge merchan has made about donald trump in the public. at the end of the day, what is concerning is donald trump's respect for the r

but will judge merchan still go nuclear on trump?s he approaches that july 11th sentencing date for the convicted former president. if he believes the former president violates what's still in place of the gag order, could merchan throw the leading gop contender for the presidency in jail? just four days before the rnc convention? let's welcome to the show class action attorney kelly hyman rain former whitewater deputy counsel sol wisenberg. could judge merchan still use a trump comment citing something about the trial during the debate on thursday, could he use that against trump during the sentencing on july 11th? >> he could both use it to put trump in jail for violating the gag order, and he could also a use it in the sentencing as well, absolutely. if. david: and how would he do that? i mean, i very briefly just saw a couple of comments about the partial lifting of the gag order. but, i mean, has he been specific enough about what measures of the gag order he has lifted to ward off trump from talking about it during the debate?

we're going to be challenging judge merchan's failure to recuse on appeal. i think it constitutes a clear due process violation. we're obviously going to be challenging aspects of the jury instructions as well. i think there's a lot of appellate material there. >> george: that's quite a change for you. before the verdict came out, you said the jury instructions are quite favorable to your side. do you think you made a mistake? >> i think hope for the best, plan for the best, george, but when you look at the totality, this is a prosecution that should have never been brought. this was a case brought in front of a judge that clearly should have recused. i think we have a lot of fair complaints with the way this trial was conducted and i think ultimately, president trump will be vindicated on appeal. >> george: the ethics panel said the judge was not required to recuse. >> i think when you look at binding supreme court precedent including most notably the seminal case on recusal, even the appearance of impropriety can require a judge to recuse for reasons of du

i think what merchan said in that moment is don't make me do it . and i think that's been merchan's posture on a lot of these issues with donald trump since the trial began and even before. and i think to all the great points that have been made, i think you can sum that up to say donald trump's behavior running into the sentencing is incredibly important because what they want, but the system e once from defendants who have been convicted is some acknowledgment of wrongdoing. he doesn't want to do that. 't and that makes it -- my dogs have found wrongdoing -- i apologize. back to you. >> we always love a good dog interruption. i've had a couple myself. got to love it. david and devlin, stick with me. >>> donald trump says he is going to appeal but on what grounds? how the judge trump lambasted closed off many avenues for that appeal. we are back in just 90 seconds. maximum air flow. so, i breathe better. and we both sleep better. and stay married. when my doctor gave me breztri for my copd, things changed for me. breztri gave me better breathing, s

these are the comments that judge merchan may take into account. he has to impose the rule of law and show he's doing it fairly and evenly, not just somebody who's running for re- election. i think that is going to factor in greatly for his consideration. >> as you talk about what donald trump has said, i want to play some of what donald trump said on friday about stormy daniels without actually saying her name. >> with these people, they were able to use people, salacious -- by the way, nothing ever happened. it was no, anything. nothing ever happened and they know it. that they were salacious as they could be. it had nothing to do with the case. they had to do with politics. and do you notice the timing? the timing was perfect. >> a reminder there that while trump is claiming falsely that someone thing is connected to democrats, there is no evidence of that. but i want to ask you in particular dave, does the unanimous vote guilty verdict, does it say that the jurors accepted stormy daniels claims, that they believed her in their fact-finding miss

david, judge merchan knows plenty about donald trump, who

judge merchan , his court work. the jury worked.was such and beautiful moment. >> i have to say i remember going out with you for drinks once. he was telling the stories and it almost didn't make sense. i was sort of worried about you a little bit. >> trump benefits from all of the other people thinking they are nuts. i have likened it to the movie version of the book the firm. what is your moment where you go running out and become a source for your own media organization? >> one of the defining moments was when and howard told me he had gone out to california and interviewed a woman who had a credible story about an affair with donald trump. i was like what do you need from me? oh, we are not running it? david pecker has purchased the story and killed it to help donald trump. i just thought in what world are we doing this? another series of events involving purchasing suppose it emails that we have to be translated on the eve of the election. getting back call from the wall street journal i just thought this dory deserves to be in

that has nothing to do with justice merchan. a fair criticism might be that justice merchan may have applied the law very well and according to the law and what the legislature prescribed, however, the legislature itself may have made a mistake in enacting this law. that happens all the time. >> i want to play speaker mike johnson, who is urging the team to take this all the way to the supreme court and is confident it is going to get overturned. >> i do believe the supreme court should step in. this is totally unprecedented and dangerous to our system. i think the justices on the court, i know many personally. i think they are deeply concerned about that as we are. i think they will set this straight but is going to take a while to play out. this will be overturned, there is no question about it but it is going to take time. >> i talked about this in last hour with katie phang. i saw some things problematic when i heard from mike johnson but alluding to the fact he was having conversation with the justices as if he is picking u

brian, there are clearly many factors for judge juan merchan to consider. there are wolf, donald trump's age and his status as a first-time offender are among the factors that judge more sean will be weighing time. we have new information on the many possible forms of punishment the judge could impose premier tonight, donald trump's legal team has just a few weeks to come up with their best argument for why he shouldn't go to jail. july 11 is his sentencing day before then, the former president is likely to have to go through pre-sentencing interviews with probation officers where he'd have to give personal information when judge juan merchan does level the sentence, he has a few options. the most serious one, prison time, the crimes for which trump's been convicted, falsifying business records could carry sentences of up to four years, each but realistically it's unlikely that someone convicted of this type of felony in new york with meryl prior criminal history would see much, if any, prison time, trump's advanced age experts say would also be a factor in

all that goes into a report for judge merchan who will decide trump's sentence next month. the maximum, four years in prison, is theoretically on the table. i have pa great group v group in studio to talk about it. nbc's vaughn hillyard hars been following trump on the xain trail. msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin was in court for the trial itself. former federal prosecutor kristy greenberg, former chief of the criminal division and msnbc legal analyst. what do we know exactly about what's happening today? >> at some point this afternoon donald trump virtually from mar-a-lago will be sitting with a new york probation officer who is going to be the one to ultimately file a report he delivers to judge merchan ahead of the july 11th sentencing. as part of this interview, this is an opportunity for donald trump to lay out his background, the fact he has no criminal convictions on his record previously. he's able to go through and answer questions that provide insight to the probation officer to the extend of his financial background, his mental state. these are questions don

so i think judge merchan will take it into consideration. but once again, since this wasn't a very fulsome interview, the defendant wasn't sharing a lot of information that the judge will take into account and then i also understand from new york legal expert tim, that the psr is in new york state are not as robust as they are in the federal system in the federal system, the probation officer does their own investigation. they colored their own understanding of the facts, and they use that as the basis of the recommendation. it's my you're stating that that's not the same here. so given the relatively short duration of the interview and the fact that judge merchan presided over the entire jury trial. it is very aware of the facts and the defendant's behavior. i think while it might be helpful, i don't think it's going to impact his ultimate decision-making. >> tim, as trump's team is scheduled to submit its sentencing recommendation. is this coming thursday? what do you think they're going to ask? were no clue and asked for some type of a pr

i predict he will up vote merchan to -- invite merchan to the inauguration.arry: did you put it on your radio show there not yet. larry: you will be -- good we go the the scoop first. talked about but not with as much clarity as you mentioned. joe, you are a voting residence, did you know your senator, menendez is running for senate as an independent. i don't know if you saw that. that is so interesting because, they will split the vote and republicans might pick up senate seat it could be fun. >> i saw it i said siri what a narcissist. you will help democrats give republicans a senate seat in new jersey if he runs as an independent enough stupid people will vote for him still. that could be one race that will step in scales much g.o.p., a republican president, republican senate and republican house. larry: you know mark simone has a lot of money. he is worth about 2300 dollars. he could sell finance, oh, i think they took the gold bars away. >> real reason he is doing this. he needs a pardon, he will lose his pension then. >> hig he is trying to blackmail bi

i know judge merchan., we were before judge merchan and he was our grand jury judge when he prosecuted the trump organization, and i think he is honest as the day is long. he was careful. he was caring, and i think he handled a very difficult trial with a neutral -- with a neutral hand and gave the president every benefit of the doubt that he was entitled to under the law. >> quickly to conclude, donald trump have branded this case a witch hunt. you heard that in particular you have been critical of d.a. and alvin bragg and a key member of his team who was hired directly from the biden justice department. how do you respond to the criticism that this was a political prosecution? >> do you remember when michael cohen was indicted by u.s. attorney barrera in 2015? the president -- incoming president, president trump asked barrera to stay on and that investigation continued. so president trump fired barrera and he brought in a republican u.s. attorney, jeff berman, excellent man, great lawyer. jeff berman con

. >> kayleigh: today judge juan mercha>> kayleigh: today ju merchan.nfairis ae gag order is l jack smith is trying to impose a new one. jack smith's team is trying to convince the judge fbi agents are inen h danger by criticizine case. he is a presidential candidate. nat naturally the judge is skecht or cal this order is unconstitutional, that it would go against the first amendment. liberals are going nuts trying to impeach her credibility. >> judge cannon, there is no threat to fbi agents, we don't need this gag order. this man's threats and his words have led to nancy pelosi's husband being bludgeoned nearly to death, countless death cu threats and people have had to get around the clock security. >> kayleigh: joining me now, mike davis, former law clerk fo gorsuch and founder of article three projects, sol wisenberg. y independent counsel. let me start with you, mike, and i want to talk about this gag order. so, merchan partially lifts the gag order, so, trump can now address stormy daniels, he can address michael cohen. he can't talk about the jur

now, if judge merchan -- people have suggested if judge merchan were to fashion a sentence or conditionsrelease that interfere with trump's political campaign, that there might be a hook to take it to the supreme court. that is an extreme long shot. neil: remember saw -- rebecca, for the time being donald trump is a convicted felon. when that sticks, of course, anyone's guess. a convicted felon normally cannot vote. can donald trump? >> well, in this case he hasn't been fully sentenced but, yes, he is a convicted felon. he can run for office. so i think we should focus on the fact that he can run for office, and we are going to focus on the fact that he will stand up for his constitutional a rights on jewel 11th, i agree -- july 11th. i agree with sol that normal course of business requires the supreme court to even review once the highest court in the state has looked at the matter and add a jude candidated. finish adjudicated. there's a possibility, of course, that his team, donald trump's team, can appeal to the supreme court given that this is a novel issue that a president has never

personal background, criminal record, and employment history, they will prepare a report for judge juan merchan on with a sentencing recommendation. and new polling shows a majority of likely voters feel that the conviction is not a major factor in november's election. the top issues being the economy and inflation where trump has an edge. and you can tell in the coming days, sources tell cbs news that both donald trump and president biden will make pitches to workers and labor unions to try to support that

we have to subpoena judge merchan and his daughter. >> we should subpoena judge merchan 's daughtersattan. >> the 24 hours since donald trump was found unanimously guilty of 34 felonies, elected republicans have been rushing to cameras to not just say falsely that this trial was rigged, but to say that the party needs to fight back. despite no evidence of wrongdoing, at all, republicans are now calling for criminal investigation into judge juan merchan, and for d.a. alvin bragg and one of his prosecutors to be investigated by congress. rather than accepting the rule of law, republicans are demonizing the people who enforced it. today the nonprofit group advanced democracy reported that since trump was found guilty there has been a high volume of social media posts containing violent rhetoric targeting, no surprise here, judge merchan and d.a. bragg. post showing alvin bragg next to a photo of a noose showing caption january 20th, 2025. traders get the rope. equally concerning, advanced democracy reports a high volume of new posts calling for the jurors from this case to be docs, with

so, if they do that, i could see judge merchan saying the case is still with me.ever, if donald trump's lawyers choose not to make what they call motion to vacate judgments, motions to set aside the sentence before judge merchan and they're just dealing with the appellate courts, then i believe that judge merchan will lift those, the gag order. i hate to call it a gag order. it was always partial, always allowed to speak about the case, and attack the d.a. and the judge and the president of the united states. >> but the top line here, a partial lifting of the partial gag order, catherine, thank you for making sense of it for us. we appreciate you coming on. >>> meantime, in new york, there is a bitter primary race and it is shining a national spotlight on the deep fissures within the democratic party over the israel-hamas war. that has translated into the most expensive house primary race in american history. today, progressive incumbent jamaal bowman is fighting to fend off a tough challenge from democratic centrist george latimer who has strongly opposed bowman'

and i think that's the principle here now, as to your question, judge merchan is going to have a very difficult decision. the sentence is entirely up to him and michael. if we look at a universe of falsification cases in new york state roughly 70 to 90% of those cases result in non-prison sentences. so you've been talking about probation and restitution and finds and that kind of thing. but prosecutors may well make an argument and i see it that donald trump is not the classic falsification patient case, that there are aspects of this case that make it a much more serious case. the fact that he's violated the contempt order, the fact that his conduct, according to prosecutors and the jury impact in an election. so i think this is gonna be a razor's edge 50, 50 call about whether judge merchan sentences them to some prison time okay. >> i'm shocked to hear you say that i thought you were going to toe the line and say it's highly unlikely but again, you surprise and i appreciate that i loved the independent thinking. hey, put, put the social media up while ellie is still here, i may nee

he laid out a rolodex of grievances including attacking judge juan merchan and calling the trial rigged. >> this is a case where if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone. these are bad people. this is a scam. this is a rigged trial. it shouldn't have been in that venue. we shouldn't have had that judge. >> and trump isn't ngis rigged, they are demanding retribution. >> this is a purely political exercise. not a legal one. >> this is the most outrageous travesty i have ever seen. the problem here is democrats have crossed a line in which now the court system isn't a political weapon and it will be hard for it to not come back the other way. >> this is a justice system that hunts republicans while protecting democrats. this was certainly a hoax. a sham. it is clear vengeance is mine, sayeth the lord. the best way of making the world even is success is the best revenge. let's win. >> in his first public remark since the verdict, president biden stressed how dangerous the maga rhetoric has been around this trial and how important our justice system is. in times like this. >> th

press conference yesterday in which he laid out a list of grievances including attack on judge juan merchan and calling the trial rigged. >> this is a case if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone. these are bad people, this is a scam, it is a rigged trial area it should not have been at that venue, we should not have had that judge. >> trump is not the only one peddling this nonsense. his enablers not only parroting the baseless claims it was rigged, they are demanding retribution. >> purely political exercise, not illegal, everybody knows that. >> the most outrageous travesty of ever seeing the problem here, democrats have crossed a line in which now the court system is the political weapon and it is very hard for not to come back the other way. >> this is a justice system that hunts republicans while protecting democrats. it was certainly a hoax, a sham. his clear vengeance is mine saith the lord, leave that there the best way of making this world even is success is the best revenge. let's win. >> in his first public remarks since the verdict, president biden express how dan

and then, judge merchan said, we've got a note, and it's a verdict. i was thinking, as soon as i heard the note back about a full request that involved david pecker. the read back of the testimony, that the jury had come to a determination about the falsification of the rectors -- records. what they try to look out -- at is the underlying conspiracy that then moves the misdemeanor to a felony of the falsification of business records. i thought, we are on the path to a guilty verdict, and then, it came through. i had a line of sight to the foreman as he stood up and said guilty, and it was just one of those moments where i thought, after all this time, after me late at night whispering to mates in bars that i think something is going on. i'm working for this organization, and these bizarre things are happening. i think there could be something more going on. my mates would be like, you need to chill out. and then, -- >> you had an inkling, but you didn't have confirmation. >> i wasn't part -- that was one level above me, but i had, sort of, and inkling

because it's not even all judge merchan. notright.d it's a district attorney that brought this case. and there's a lot of things los thatd. >> lasalea well, last question. when you go to the appellate court, the supreme courtt g thh both, look, we're not going to stop fighting. >> i mean, i don't you know, owd everybody's talking on your show and on other shows about going right to the supreme courws gt. we're going to do whatever we can if that means we're going to the the first departmentof and the new york court of appeals in the supreme court. that's what we're going to do if gh. we can go right to the supremedw court. that's what we're going to do. we're going to do whatever what there's no option that we're slamming the door on. thison is this has been yea a travesty of justice for over a year, a year and ad a. sean, you've said this before, but it's worth just before before weforit'se go.invest this investigation was opened. this grand jury was starteigwado less than two months after president trump announced he was r

never allow anyone to tear it down to simple as that trump's fate now is in the hands of judge juan merchan, who he's repeatedly attacked throughout the proceedings as he awaits sentencing, he's vowing to appeal the jury's verdict. >> cnn's paula reid has a closer look at what's next in this historic case good morning, amara and victor. so the next big date on the calendar or for the new york criminal case against former president trump is that sentencing on july 11? >> now sources telling me at this point it's unclear if they're going to try to get that pushback back or if they're going to let it stay, that date is just a few days before the republican national convention. and some of his advisers believe that could be a political advantage. but there'll be discussing that over the next few days and then proceed accordingly. now, before that date, the former president, like any other defendant in manhattan, is expected to be interviewed by trial services and healing can even submit references. so words of goodwill on his behalf to help the judge as he contemplates his possible sentence. an

judge merchan could impose probation with no prison time.mp would become the first former president required to regularly report to a probation officer. it could mean the bar for him to be jailed if he committed other crimes in the future could be lowered to the floor. him being on probation would mean the ability to jail trump would be instantly effectuatable if he committed any other crimes which is a weird way to live as a presidential candidate. all that is likely far off. trump will almost certainly appeal the verdict today. that appeals process will almost definitely push all this past the election. being found guilty does not bar you from running for president. what does trump's sentencing mean in terms of what actually happens before the election? practically speaking, it means trump will be back in a manhattan courtroom with the news of these 34 guilty verdicts back on front pages across the country at his sentencing hearing on july 11th. four days after that on july 15th , unless the republican party changes course, that will be th

. >> kayleigh: today judge juan merchan nationally issued the gag order against donald trump this asished weeks ago. as one is lifted jack smith is trying to impose a new one in the documents case in florida. jack smith's team is trying to convince the judge that trump is putting fbi agents in danger by criticizing the case. then he can't speak about the fbi. is he a presidential candidate. naturally, the judge is skeptical that this type of order is unconstitutional. that it would go against the first amendment. because of this, liberals are going nuts. trying to impeach her credibility yet again. >> judge cannon going out of her way to make the case that there's no threat to fbi agents. we don't need this gag order. as if we haven't watched what donald trump can unleash. >> this man's threats and his words have led to nancy pelosi's husband being bludgeoned nearly to death. countless death threats and people have had to get around the clock security. >> kayleigh: i thought we didn't attack judges. that's what they told us. anyway, joining me now mike davis, former law clerk for sup

. >> reporter: blanche today also taking aim at judge juan merchan for not recusing himself. merchan contributed $15 to president biden's 2020 campaign, and his daughter is a democratic political consultant. >> we felt very strongly that there was an actual bias that this judge had, and even if not an actual bias, that there was certainly a perception of bias. >> reporter: a new york appeals court recently upheld merchan's decision to stay on the case, perhaps the most fruitful possible grounds for appeal, legal, not political including the fact prosecutors relied on a novel legal theory to escalate what would normally be a misdemeanor books and records charge to a felony, and the defense also zeroing in on the credibility of star prosecution witness, michael cohen. >> i do not think michael cohen should ever be somebody who can be relied upon to convict somebody. >> reporter: but the jury reached their verdict after being instructed twice they could not convict on cohen's word alone. cohen today reacting to the verdict. >> i let out a -- just a gasp of air. this has been a l

because according to bragg merchan, biden and their immediate and serious they committed a crime.is case we do not have to re-create it through some phony link to a federal statute to revive a state statute. we do not need to get into all of that stuff. federal campaign laws, does not on it which part of the law even though we have one because that is the precedent comes out of the new york case biden just supported. what am i talking about? i have in front of me a letter october 19, 2020. public statement hunter biden e-mail thei provided laptop youe aware of this 51 former intelligence spooks from all levels of the cia, national security council and all the rest of it. signed a letter the purpose of which was to influence the election in the letter they say for a bunch of reasons we write to say the arrival on the political scene laptop belong vice president son hunter related to his time serving on the board of ukrainian gaps company marissa has a classic earmarks of christian information operation they go on and on to make their case. not only that he leaked it to the media. w

i think judge merchan made the right call. he put the gag place in order, specifically regarding the witnesses and the jurors to preserve the integrity of the administration of justice and the trial proceedings. and now the witnesses' role in the case and the jurors' role in the case is at an end. so, i think it would have been a stretch for judge merchan to keep those portions of the gag order in place through the sentencing hearing. i think he made the right decision. even if it gives us all some concern. here is the thing, if i were alvin bragg or one of his prosecutors, i would be watching closely to see what donald trump does to potentially endanger the witnesses and the jurors now that the gag order has been lifted and i would put all of it in my sentencing memo in advance of the july 11th sentencing hearing because the danger that a defendant poses to the community or to others is heartland sentencing concerns. so, let's see what he does with his newly found freedom to criticize and harass potentially jurors and witness

pete: for starters, how was judge merchan selected?n ethics panel for making donations to democrat groups. and who made the decision to fast track this trial in the first place? rachel: our next guest has been digging into it, and he thinks the whole thing reeks of collusion. attorney and retired nypd inspector paul mauro joinses us now. paul, so great to have you on, and these are really excellent questions. and my main questions are about the judge. i mean, is it really that hard to find a judge who didn't, you know, donate to a group that's called stop republicans or whose family isn't profit off of the whole trump derangement syndrome -- how was he selected? >> so that really is the question, rachel. you put your finger on it, why is it so hard? the new york state chief administrative judge, a woman named ellen, who's responsible for this kind of scheduling and selection. my questions to that office continue to receive just a very heavily-lawyered form answer saying the following: that judge merchan presided over a grand jury out o

someone with whom he has an intense political be if he has been criticizing merchan since way beforeever be began. so that is something that interestingly is not going to stay in place. i guess the judge feels that anything he can say at this point will be restrained by the fact that the judge has this sentencing laying over his head right now. i was saying a little while ago jonathan turley has pointed out that's the ultimate leverage a judge can hold over a defendant in a case once a conviction of guilt has been handed down. he could go with the maximum penalty sentence here. >> sandra: so this is obviously big news we have jonathan turley he is going to come up to react to this, tell us what it means, what specifically the former president will now be able to comment on and speak to. jonathan, jonathan turley eight -- he is approaching come of this is breaking news, he is sitting down on the desk with us in new york city, great to see you, professor. if i could bring you right in. so the judge, is fair to say he has alter the gag order. he has not buffeted because there are still

. >> katie, i wanted to talk to you about juan merchan, the judge overseeing this.re, i now have a man crush on him. i, you know, i just think he is just a spectacular judge. the first thing when i wbt to court the very first time, i was struck by his voice. and we've all been in court. we've seen judges and we've seen judge who is can't control a courtroom. we've seen judges who control a courtroom by raising their voice and through histrionics and here he controlled the courtroom by being the adult in the room and had such a calm judicial temperament. i just felt like he wasn't going to tolerate and he expected of everyone to behave properly. i thought it was just remarkable. that's sort of my view, don't let that influence you, how do you think he did? this is a first ever trial of a current or former president, enormous pressures, enormous claims of violations of the gag order that he found ten times and a lot of novel legal issues to deal with, how do you think he did managing this case? >> we've been inside courtrooms in front of judges on very high stakes cas

once donald trump is sentenced, he is done with judge merchan, then it's on to the appellate court. he might lift as it relates to for instance, michael cohen, i think for jurors, you want to keep them even though the trial is over safe, you don't want them doxxed or bothered. the judge might leave it for that, and also, quite frankly, the family members of the d.a. and the judge himself and the court staff, and the d.a. staff. because, again, the proceedings aren't over yet until the sentencing. >> but the family members have nothing to do with this, so arguably they shouldn't be involved. a jury obviously as well. in terms of safety, i am still struck by how no members of the jury in any of donald trump's cases have come forward to say here's why we made the decision we made. we have heard from a number of jurors in the hunter biden case. what does that tell us about the comfort those jurors in the hunter biden case had about speaking out and the comfort these jurors have? >> i think it tells you that the jurors, and there have been three sets of them, three juries in three separa

and what will judge merchan's considerations be?i think one of the leading considerations here is going to be lack of remorse. and you might think what defendant who has just been convicted shows remorse? actually a lot of them have an opportunity to reflect on what they have done. they come to sentencing, deeply apologetic in many cases. sometimes not always sincerely, but deeply apologetic. on the contrary here, not only does the person that andrew has been pointed out, ten times, but will have a number of other violations that we witnessed. and count on those to factor into the sentencing from the d.a.'s perspective. they want to be able to say this is a person that deserves a punishment and you cannot quantify with a has been done here. meaning it's not as if he stole $55,000 from adam, that he risked the foundation of our democracy for his own self- interest. and the fact that now he is as outrageous as he about the result will be something they want merchan to consider at sentencing. >> and he faces the opportunity, the possib

but when we do get in front -- when he gets in front of judge juan merchan, the things that typically, somebody would get credit for, i just think some of those things would be lacking. things like accepting responsibility. >> the man is saying -- donald trump is claiming he did nothing wrong. he said it today. >> the judge could decide to say house arrest or jail. >> i'm okay with it. iso one of my lawyers the other day on television saying, you don't want to do that to the press? i said you don't dig for anything. that is the way it is. >> the other one i want to play was he said, i did absolutely nothing wrong. think of it. >> he is entitled as a matter of his appeal to be contesting the cruelty verdict. but accepting the gender -- jury's rendering of the verdict is core to our system. and the judge will be looking at things like the reason for the scheme. the judge will look to see what other cases have been weeded out for falsification of business records and what were they falsifying books often times the motive is financial gain. here it is completely different. it is undermini

i have not been quiet about our views of judge merchan presiding over this case., he heard guilty 34 times yesterday, in a case that he passionately believes there was no crime. i share that belief. so the idea that he would react with frustration, and even anger, at what happened, i can't judge him for that. and i won't. >> reporter: is it possible your client could be in jail during the republican national convention? >> it's possible. that's something that i don't want to think about. i don't think it's going to happen. but it's possible, of course. >> reporter: but many top republicans tell me they are thinking about it, unsettled about the possibility, however remote, that their nominee, donald trump, could be behind bars when he accepts the nomination. norah? >> norah: a revealing interview. robert costa, thank you very much. there was another big headline from the white house today. president biden endorsed a new israeli proposal for a cease-fire in the gaza-hamas war. it is the first time the president has spoken about the conflict since sunday's deadly ex

the biggest gasps that i heard when judge merchan announced we have a verdict . that was by far the loudest and have been in the courtroom all day, and that moment was the first rush of adrenaline. we are witnessing history. we need to bring this out and when you are treating something you want to get it out as quickly as possible. that was a historic moment in and of itself and the way you recited it at the beginning, the pronouncement of the verdict, it is not just that one moment. it's count one. it is a call and response and there was an error of i would just call it surreality, a moment where it was relatively more quiet at that moment than it was when we knew that was happening, and because, as you said in that very thoughtful opening, did we hear that right? can we believe our own ears, and hearing that call and response for 34 times and knowing for certain that american history had forever changed at that moment. >> we are going to squeeze in our first break here. we are going to be back in here what president biden said about this today. we will be right

you had jd vance, i will quote from his comments, he said we need to be subpoenaing judge merchan ande ever talk to bragg about using his power to go after donald trump? you have this situation now where we've got republicans demand that judge merchan show up and explain and want to get behind the money that fueled this prosecution against donald trump. david lit pointed out on twitter wait so actions of judges' family members are enough to make them biased? thomas and leo are going to be mad as heck when they hear about this. that's where we are. chief justice need to talk about thomas and alito. they need to have the conversation. you can't avoid it. the longer you avoid it, chief justice, the further down the court is being taken in the eyes of the american people. you can't play oh we want to be under judge merchan's robe without getting under thomas and alito's robe. >> i am not getting under any role. thank you very much. >>> how should biden campaign handle the trump conviction? we'll discuss on "the weekend." new science shows listerine is 5x more effective than floss at reduc

it will be merchan who sentences the former president on july 11th, just four days before he's set to accept the republican nomination for president. >> david: and so let's bring in rachel scott with us in new york tonight. rachel reported on what donald trump said today, going after the judge. but we should point out, this is the very judge who will decide trump's fate in a matter of weeks. >> reporter: it is, david. that sentencing is set for july 11th, four days before the republican national convention. it will be up to judge juan merchan to decide whether the former president gets prison time, home confinement, probation, or fines. and tonight, so many are questioning why the former president would go after the very judge who's ultimately responsible for deciding his fate, david. >> david: in a matter of weeks here. we'll be on that as well, of course. thank you for this week. >>> we turn to other news this friday evening. the other major headline from the white house tonight, president biden taking the dramatic move of going public with the deal being offered to hamas, revealing

jury instructions. >> i think when you look at the jury instructions here, judge merchan essentially, i wouldn't say it rigged the deliberations, but certainly steered the jury toward the verdict that he clearly wanted >> when the jury it was against you, the judge made a mistake? >> i hope for the best plan for the worst, george. >> and stormy daniels, the actress at the heart of the case is breaking her silence. in her first interview since the verdict, she said she wants to see trump jailed or used as a punching bag at a women's shelter. >> completely out of touch with reality. you have to find a punishment that not just matches the crime and fair and just, but impacts that particular person. >> we will get reaction and new perspective on what stormy daniels is saying in that interview. >>> also new today, a new poll showing 50% of the general u.s. population saying they think the verdict was correct. 27% say it was not correct. asked whether trump should end his campaign because of the verdict, 49% of the general population saying you should. 37% say he shall not. those numbers a

in the letter, merchan did not indicate whether this post was valid or if the courts are investigating the matter. but this is by far very, very level and alarming development . we're going to have great jarrett, mike huckabee all coming up on this. and we are only 150 days away from the 2024 rac presidential election. this race is heating ue isp big time, but unfortunately for democrats, joe biden is slowing down. we'll explain all that straight ahead tonight. plus, i have a message forth that idiotic actor george clooney and his wife who thinc george ck that they sd have a say over america's over. n policy after all, they'll be raisingey money for joey. also, partl be three oforme my interview with former president donald trump. that's straight ahead tonight. iden aheadwe talk about the upcoming debate and trump will tell us what he reall ty thinkseneral about the attorney general, merrick garland. also tonight, we will shines an a bright light on the spies and others that lied in the02 fall of 2020. 51 quote, intel experts, they lie to you. joe biden to you. big tech lied to you.d t