people often know the name meredith gardner. she was a linguist too was able to figure out what code systems stood for. name --he most famous the women were doing the hard analytic work, working closely with meredith gardner and others. i think of them as the hidden figures of world war ii and the cold war. we are coming to understand now how important rooms full of women had been to american security i and freedom. host: carol calling from texas. good morning. caller: good morning. what a fascinating story. it reminds me of so many stories that have come out in particular of world war ii of women doing the jobs of men because the men were at war. i'm curious about the fact that you say so many of them didn't marry. was this a conscious choice? guest: yes. it was a conscious choice. the women understood -- during world war ii, we had rosie the riveter, women going into factories, a lot of women doing early stem work during the war. there waswar, government propaganda to encourage them to go back home. these women understood if t

people who know about venona often know about the name meredith gardner. he was a linguist who was able figures outk, which the names and he is the most famous name associated with the project, but the women were doing hard analytic work, working closely with merrick -- -- working closely with meredith gardner and others. and we are coming to understand now how important rooms full of women have been to american history and to security and freedom. host: carol is calling from texas. carol, good morning. caller: good morning. what a fascinating story, and it reminds me of many of the stories that have come out of women doing the job of man, because the men were not available, they were at war. i'm curious that you say many of them different -- many of them did not marry. was this a conscious choice on their part? liza: yes, it was a conscious choice. the women understood. just as you say, during world war ii we had women running the factories and also had women doing a lot of brainwork, a lot of stem work during the war. and after the war there was a big pu

photo,gize for the rainy but this shows some of the work of codebreakers including young meredith gardner. they broke into the soviet code which revealed espionage in washington dc and the manhattan project. containscripts references to codenames and some believed the codename ales was ales was code for alger hiss. atchison found himself a target himself. atchison had known outer hiss and his brother donald four years. donald hiss was a law partner. actress and was truman's secretary of state. atchisond refused -- -- truman called his case a red herring which contributed to attacks on himself and his administration. an interesting, fun cartoon here. i do not intend to turn my back on alger hiss or dean actress acheson. that shows the loyalty in the truman administration. in 1950, days after hiss's conviction for perjury, a british scientist named clouse was arrested for passing atomic secrets to the soviets while working in the theater will -- theoretical area. hiss past top-secret material to the soviets. the atomic bomb project was likely indeed aided by phuc's information. the soviets

the grainy photo of this, but this shows some of the work of the venona codebreakers including meredith gardner. they broke into this soviet code which appeared to reveal the existence of soviet espionage in washington dc as well as the manhattan product -- project that developed the atomic bomb. some believe the term ales was code for alger hess. atchison found himself also a target. atchison had known alger hess and his brother donald for years. donald had been a law partner of his since 1947. atchison was truman's secretary of state and he refused to condemn alger hess publicly saying that they remained friends. harry truman allowed himself to get dragged into the case controversy bike calling the case a red herring. which contributed to attacks upon himself and his administration. atchison will remain on the job as long as truman was in the white house. that shows the loyalty in the truman administration. in 1950, just days after his conviction for perjury, a british scientist named clouse fuchs was arrested for passing atomic secrets to the soviets while working in the theoretical division

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