now, just right quickly, let me tell you a little caveat here. '62 we went through this in meredith in ole miss. president kennedy and john kennedy came up with a strategy. it was a complete disaster for eisenhower. we can do this with federal marshals. what they didn't figure on is how many federal marshals, so they started pulling guys from everywhere, prison guards, parking lot security people and giving them a federal marshal's badge. no weapons. sending them down to oxford. we're going to do this with all civilian people. and then bobby and ross barnett worked out this elaborate ballet by when they were going -- barn net has a telephone conversation. i've heard it. you have to pull your guns. bobby kennedy says, wait, we're not going to -- oeshg, you have to pull your guns. yes, yes. there has to be eight of you to move me out of the door, that kind of thing. they refused to send in sufficient force. as a result, by midnight that night, those poor men were bottled up on ole miss' campus. nicholas sent a message, send troops or by morning we'll all be dead. now, to his credit, eisenhowered