so my father was part of merical, too. for one, my father died of cancer at 52. when did secretary mcnamara find out about agent orange? if he did, when and did he do anything about it? number two, my uncle, who is still alive, he swears every place he went, they battled, they fought, they won and now the war was a loss. for secretary mcnamara, who is it? >> i don't think the full consequences of it were known at the time, unfortunately. since they -- well, no, since they've become known, no, the u.s. army set up a huge agent orange task force to address the program and try in -- and if you're affected personally by it, try doesn't mean a great deal, but they have at least tried to remedy some of the worst abuses. but at the time, you know, they just came in 55 gallon drums and you threw it around. nobody paid much attention to it because we just didn't -- we just didn't know that well. as far as who lost the war, there's a whole list. i mean, as was pointed out earlier, we got the stab in the back theory that the american public betrayed the military who was doi