and it relates to a very core principle that merrick garland is just a central to merrick garland. it's the rule of law. that there is nobody in this country who stands above the law. who's immune from the law. and so i think that this case, which is so, so much clearer, at least it seems from the outside -- and the principle at stake, it's so central to the way that garland thinks about the fabric of our democratic institutions -- i think it is inevitable that he brings an indictment here. >> all right, franklin foer we will be catching up with you in the coming weeks, months, and we know this all have the come to pass before a new president is installed, and there. we franklin foer stuff at the atlantic, writer it's great to see you frank. >> great to see you, thank you. >> that does it for us tonight, we will see you again tomorrow, now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. awrence. >> good evening alex. we are gonna discuss franklin foer article it is hour, with harvard law professor laurence tribe, who was merrick garland's constitutional

and the attorney general mare some merrick garland.ticle by franklin foer said he believes we will see the doj excite trump in a matter of months. he said he spoke with his closest friends and former clerks, and studied the record and interviewed the attorney general himself. and reached the conclusion that garland's belief in procedure is belief in the rule of law and in particular his reverence for duties, responsibilities and traditions of the u.s. department of justice will cause him to make the most monumental decision an attorney general can make. and he said the search for mar-a-lago in the first place was a big deal as it predictively opened the floodgates of the right wing criticized at the doj. garland is also the one who decided to include that photo of all of the classified documents retrieved from mar-a-lago in an august brief, a move that trump has complained about about almost nonstop. this is a present ongoing fight. not political anger, this is all right now. garland is already set ago side the political noise andel fo

and it relates to a very core principle that merrick garland is just a central to merrick garland.there is nobody in this country who stands above the law. who's immune from the law. and so i think that this case, which is so, so much clearer! at least it seems from the outside -- and the principle at stake, it's so central to the way that garland thinks about the fabric of our democratic institutions -- i think it is inevitable that he brings and indictments here. >> all right, franklin foer we will be catching up with you in the coming weeks, months, and we know this all have the come to pass before a new president is installed, and there. we franklin foer stuff at the atlantic, writer it's great to see you frank. >> great to see you, thank you. >> that does it for us

frank spoke with merrick garland and despite the spectacle that such an indictment would create one ofere's a simple reason he thinks he will do so. i have been observing garland closely for months talked with his friends and loyal clerks and deputies and studied his record and interviewed garland and his devotion to procedure, belief in the rule of law and in particular his reverence for the duties, responsibilities and traditions of the united states department of justice will cause him to make the most monumental decision an attorney general can make. joining us the author of that piece for the atlantic. mary and harry back with usp i listened to you on the bulwark, right? >> yeah. >> had to talk to you because you describe this thing that most of us who don't know merrick garland like myself, is the fact that he would rather give birth to a unicorn that makes him most likely to do it, really the only conclusion you can draw if you adhere to the rule of law. explain your analysis. >> i should say that when i spoke to him, he didn't comment about ongoing investigations. when the just

that is the main issue, and as you correctly say, taunting merrick garland. i think that is where we all should expect, and should be focusing our eyes on the department of justice. whether they will have the backbone to go forward. >> so andrew, i can't think of a case that i can remember, of a potential defendant taunting the justice department, taunting the attorney general personally, as donald trump is doing now. daring the justice department to indict him. i have never seen anything like that, do we have any frame of reference here for how that could affect the justice department decision to proceed. >> we don't have a frame of reference, because like all things, donald trump, there is no precedent for this kind of behavior. there is a framework between the justice manual, and the guidelines that are the things that the department operates under -- in deciding whether to prosecute or not. if somebody shows no remorse, and his engaged in inflammatory conduct, flouting the law over and over, and spinning out defenses that are patently false. that is a fac

attorney general merrick garland.nything, but in a provocative new piece in the atlantic, franklin foer lays out the reasons why he believes and indictment is inevitable. joining me now is franklin foer, national correspondent at the atlantic. frank, thank you very much for being here, welcome to the sunday show. >> pleasure. >> congratulations on a fabulous piece. >> thank you. >> you spent months reporting for this piece, you even sat down with the attorney general. he acknowledged, he didn't tip his hand, didn't say whether he was going to our wasn't going to. but explain to the viewers why you believe, in the end, the attorney general will indict the former president. >> i tried to study the man, the way he thinks about the law, his instincts. he is renowned for being this incredibly cautious person, and he is a very cautious person. i talk to one of his best friends and he told me he doesn't like driving with him because he drives so slowly. but i looked at the way that he talks about the department of justice, t

fairly or unfairly, all on merrick garland, what does merrick garland do with the pile of evidence ofmp's criminality? >> i don't think he's going to do anything before the midterm elections, but i think the committee had your point in youd when they were crafting this subpoena. 90% of it was legal. 10% of it was game theory, right? they wanted to paint him as a coward if he didn't show up at the hearing. that's why they put the names of the other presidents that testified. that's why they were baiting him in the cover letter and in the email itself. and i think that they're banking on the fact that he will want a show. and my guess is that they're going to be prepared for it and that there may be some secret documents that he doesn't know that they have. so, it'll be really interesting to see how it plays out. >> we will all be watching. my thanks to ben rhodes and jackie. stick around. as we've reported, steve bannon was sentenced today for defying this committee. he will be spending four months in prison. but will the trump ally actually serve time? will that happen? we'll look at

merrick garland has become totally partisan.ve after november 8 you will see mayor garland impeached. >> tucker: people who say 4 months in prison is not a big deal have never been in prison. do you plan to submit? >> number 1, the judge laid out a number of areas to appeal. i have a great legal team. they are working on the appeals right now. we have appeals on separation of powers and executive privilege and the structure of the january 6th committee. they will work through the appeals process. my sentencing is all pending the appeals process. at the end of the day i have to go to prison by this illegitimate regime, i am prepared to do it but we have a long appeals process. >> tucker: what does this is a about our system? you are saying you are being sent to prison because you advised donald trump politically. that doesn't sound like a free country. >> it's not free right now. whether it's the fbi rolling up individuals praying in front ever abortion centers or parents going to school board meetings. the justice department and

>> i have been critical of merrick garland for his decision. i have praise merrick garland for other things that i think are important at this i disagreed with. i am very critical in a book. bill barr is determination when donald trump came over to the did justice by the said i would you to represent me on this matter. the determination for bill barr is was the conduct in the official course of the president duty? the way it was explained to be as a prosecutor if you get sued for something you do as a prosecutor because you indict somebody because of something said in court you will be covered by doj. but if you get in a fight to something you will not be covered by doj inside the job are outside the job. bill barr looked at that te determined donald trump's comments about e. jean carroll, that's within the scope of the presidency. i was very outspoken at the time that was absolutely wrong, that while the president has a very, very broad job description that can be part of it. i felt vindicated a couple of weeks or months later when a federal j

merrick garland and already sparring over the mar-a-lago documents and allegations of election fraud. big of a priority would this be? how big of a priority would this be? >> it benefits donald trump to fight in on any level and i mean by that with respect to any of the responses by donald trump, he will do what he can to invoke executive privilege, why? because it will be challenged in court and it will take a long time to get over and that's with respect to the documents. he is also going to of course, as many people have already said, resist the notion of appearing in front of the panel. number one, because his attorneys are likely not going to want him to do that too eagerly and certainly not doing it live. but not necessarily going in there without being thoroughly prepared, if he goes in at all. and the significance of all of that is by the time it got to merrick garland, and the d.o.j., it's more than likely going to be a moot point, because we're looking at something that is several months, if not weeks off from where we are currently. and so i don't expect that this is someth

merrick garland is going to stay out of this. he's left things in the hands of the u.s.laware david wise. charges or not, that call appears to be in wise's purview, what do you think he's going to do? >> i think there's going to be an indictment with respect to least serious charges possible and, remember, molly, democrats have a long line, long history of appointing attorney generals who will protect their interest. you had with respect to kennedy, his brother rfk as the -- as the attorney general. you had obama appoint his wing man, eric holder as the attorney general, so come on, it's politics for merrick garland to say i'm not going to be involved with this, of course he will because that's the way joe biden wants it. molly: fun to talk history with you as well as the future. andrew thank you for joining us on this saturday afternoon. >> any time, molly, thank you. alicia: molly, the listening road to recovery in florida after ian, we are live on the ground in hard-hit fort myers, you can see right there next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hurricane ian teams are expected to finish u

mitch mcconnell decided that merrick garland wouldn't receive even a hearing. at delta deathblow to the institution. maybe that would have been survived had hillary clinton had been elected but that wasn't the case. strange circumstance, mitch mcconnell was plain politics and he has been successful but the effect on the supreme court is that people view it less ms. legitimate. guest: i think the supreme court confirmation process has been politicized since long before the 2016 election. i actually thinkroe has had a lot to do with that that's white a broom that abortion has dominated every hearing since it was issued in 1973. there is an overwhelming history that the supreme court justices, they are very important who gets the chairs there is an overwhelming history. they are of the same party, they are confirmation hearings and when if it election year there are no confirmation hearings if it's held by the opposite party the court set of white, it's too far balance, if merrick garland had gotten confirmed and if hillary clinton had won the election, she would

merrick garland can say he is not involved and is leaving it up to wise. the truth is because he is the president's son this goes up to the deputy attorney general before any decision is made and merrick garland is absolutely involved in this. i don't care what he says. let me tell you one more thing. they are so determined to find out who leaked that they cannot figure out who leaked the dobbs decision. you can rest assured they are worried about this. the fact that hunter biden paid back $2 million in taxes after he said everything was clean and appropriate, he had to borrow money to pay the taxes. that is no defense. people have gone to prison that paid their taxes and end up serving time. >> the question i want to know, jim jordan, is the biden family compromised by countries like china and russia and ukraine and others here? it's not just the 10% for the big guy. that's important. that would implicate joe. but then the issue of him complaining about half his income going to his father. complaining about paying for all the home repairs of his father. i

i think it is inevitable that he brings an indictment. >> luke, whether merrick garland likes it or not, there are politics involved and people are making it more and more political every day. what is really at stake here? >> he is right that it is a simpler case the mar-a-lago case is a simpler one to prove. that said, when we do hear from the january 6th committee, and they do finally make a decision about whether to make a criminal referral, they have a team of their committee members and top lawyers working on it and i do think, if they reach the decision and make a criminal referral, they will lay out very clearly the criminal statutes that they believe donald trump has violated. and basically, hand that over on a silver platter to the justice department with all of the evidence that they have accumulated. so, while the mar-a-lago case may be easier to prove, i don't think it is necessarily the only avenue here. that said, you know, i am not anywhere near convinced merrick garland is anywhere close to charging donald trump. all of our reporting has not indicated that he is about to

so it would be inappropriate for merrick garland to either review it or come up with his conclusions or maybe more appropriately refer to the senior career official as has been done in the past and let that individual review and decide whether he believes the conclusions john durham has drawn, conclusions rejected by juries are the conclusions of the justice department and in its considered wisdom actually agrees with and healths stand for the public. >> i've got to say, the election was not dprud lent. john durham found nothing. there is no witch hunt, and get all of those claims have been debunked by trump and his allies. where does this leave us politically? do you think trump's going to be talking abdurham? are we still going to be hearing about the durham investigation on fox news? i just wonder in this day and age, how much veracity truly matters when you talk about the republicans' political football? >> i'm sure they'll don't talk about it. the thing about conspiracy those are, you can never believe them wrong to people who want to believe them. that's what made this so cynic

merrick garland, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you. barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, thank you as always, barb for your wisdom on this friday evening. >> thanks very much,, alex. we >> have lots more to get to tonight. another day, another damning allegation of his proxy leveled against georgia gop senate candidates georgia herschel walker. their three new stories out in the last few hours with blockbuster details. the reporter who broke one of those stories joins us next. and -- author and activist heather mcgee joins us to discuss a growing trend in gop politics, leaving those who call out structural racism the racists. stay with us. my asthma felt anything but normal. ♪ ♪ it was time for a nunormal with nucala. nucala is a once-monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma that can mean less oral steroids. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop s

i think that there's been a public perception that merrick garland is moving too slowly or cowardly or he is afraid to bring charges here, in the article, and i tend to agree with him, concludes that ultimately we will see charges against donald trump. i think everybody's looking for the big charge of tying donald trump to the seditious conspiracy, that's a hard one to prove his connections to the oath keepers and proud boys. maybe it's, there and it sounds like it's looking there. it's given cooperation agreements to a number of those charged with seditious conspiracy already. you can make the case by showing a conspiracy to defraud the united states by the pressure he applied to mike pence. the lie is the fraud, the pressure on mike pence is the criminal act, and that is a serious crime. trying to interfere with the lawful transfer of presidential power. i think that cases, there and i think merrick garland will charge it. >> we have a conversation tomorrow morning with michael luttig about that. mike pence is outside with mike alluded to say that the vice president needs a reason to

merrick garland can fire the special counsel just as much as david weiss. i think republicans are screaming about that because it is a talking point but it doesn't get them what they want. host: this is a headline from one of your pieces last week, doj's hunter biden inquiry back in the spotlight. if it is behind-the-scenes, why is it in the spotlight? is there information being leaked out now? guest: there is information being leaked out. some investigators reached out to media outlets and said they amassed enough evidence to where they could charge hunter biden with tax crimes or in a gun charge. it is interesting that they have leaked this because you have to look at the reasons why they leaked this. it is possible that it was leaked because there is going to be a republican outrage that these are minor crimes if he does get charged. republicans have been saying that there is a lot more than tax and gun crimes. you could look at it as the fbi that leaked this because they are investigating this case. hunter biden is not going to be charged and they want

who can ugh norse the political pressures, stay true to his job and stay true to who he is. >> merrick garlande have had this split screen where you have the january 6th investigation on capitol hill, which has presented a very clear narrative of what happened. and garland has taken so much heat because he hasn't told the same story where the commission makes it sound so simple. garland, who is somebody who is meticulous, who is all about procedure, who considers himself immune to political rage has moved in this very slow step by step meticulous process of investigating the events of january 6th where he started for the people who set foot in the capitol and worked his way up the chain. apparently according to reports from the grand jury is getting closer and closer to trump's inner circle and closer to trump himself. i think it's really important to manage this case in a way that is above politics. it doesn't wreak of political revenge. and even if it's excruciating for some people, the case if it's brought needs to be brought in a way that sticks, that gets the the desired result, and that

we can have people say fine and then we have merrick garland say i believe in equality under the law.did xyz to hunter biden and now we are doing xyz did donald trump. i think this is a complete set up, i think hunter biden is small potatoes. i think protecting joe biden who is obviously more important he's the president of the united states and they have apsley no interest in him. neither do the media they keep writing books about donald trump like maggie haberman and others, who cares? what about joe biden all of his ties? i want to talk about this election a little bit too when i want the public to understand the united states -- the united states isn't guaranteed to exist as the united states and perpetuity. countries are subject to demise. athens fell, rome fell, the british empire exists no longer. we are a country that is falling, we are a country that is facing demise as the number one superpower on the face of the earth. is not because we voted for this it's not because we want it, it's because this is with the democratic party wants and is doing. this is a man-made great ass

somebody who is accused of assault predict and under bill barr, that doj appeal to, and when merrick garland comes in, and said we will continue this appeal keep fighting. i think it was wrong. and i think also america garland it missed an opportunity to say that we are different, not doing things this way and stretching the law does prosperous extreme just in order to protect donald trump. i think what merrick garland was doing is searching for the path of least resistance the path of least political turbulence. i think his approach to sitting doj back on its path was to make a few waves as possible. and pick his few fights as possible i think that was mistaken i think he needed to aggressively undo some of the words that they can be undone but to undo some of the worst abuses of the bill barr administration. we'll see how it comes out on appeal but i think it's a missed opportunity by america garland. >> in his right after that, maybe hours. as usual, good to go. and so court of the other things i wanted to ask about is i'm fascinated with this context of the endgame and we seen it with mu

merrick garland is doing even more damage, and this book, "justice corrupted," explains how, and it walks verse exactly what's happening and what we needed to do to stop it. maria: well, thank you for writing book. our viewers are very concerned about this, senator. and you're right in terms of what we have seen take place. look at the russia collusion lie that was made up from a operative on the clinton campaign. you think this politicization of all of these agencies started urn clinton and barack obama -- under clinton and barack obama then. >> well, it really got bad under obama. and if you look at -- and that's what the book walks through. it walks through the irs scandal where the obama irs targeted tea party activists, conservatives, constitutionalists, pro-life activists, pro-israel activists. the book walks you through the meeting in the oval office on january 5th, 2017, barack obama was there, joe biden was there, the head of the doj, the fbi and the cia was there. donald trump was getting ready to enter the presidency, and they sat there and agreed we're going to launch. the fed

i have great trust in merrick garland and lisa monaco. there is something going on. that is not lack of guts. there something going on with regard to their failure to do something. i don't know what the justice department is or is not doing with regards to the january 6th investigation but i have faith in their abilities and the attorney general is in a tough position because the tradition of the justice department is you don't talk about investigations and can't talk about grand jury investigations. we don't know all the justice department is doing but i think there is an educational component the department has a response ability to do. it would not be a good thing for the press conference that is happening for the justice department and announced the case of the united states versus donald trump. there needs to be some way to let the american people know what the department is about, the investigation, the extent it is going. there are ways it can be done. that's a place where if i were giving some advice, if i was giving advice to the department, i would do thing

doj and merrick garland have to articulate with reasonable certainty that a crime has been committedthe fact this individual has these documents, or they know he likely still have something left. i think doj is proceeding carefully about making allegations in court of law before they know with high level of certainty that's the case. that's the issue. they need to be able to establish probable cause that a crime has occurred, at this point they don't necessarily know they can do that or don't feel confident in their ability to do that. and they're not necessarily certain which of the numerous violations we've seen so far they're looking to charge donald trump under. so because of that, that's likely why we have not seen arrest or something move forward with indictment or prosecution of donald trump. it is about deciding where there is the strongest aspect of probable cause and what law they want to apply. >> i insist that if i left my job at verizon, walmart or chipotle with bank records and didn't bring them back, i'd probably be in handcuffs right now, but that's fine. former direc

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we had watched merrick garland with her.he republicans change the rules so they could get the supreme court justice they wanted and they keep changing the rules. when you talked everyday people, our communities understand the impact supreme court has on our lives. our members of congress, not all of them but many of them, act as though you don't have to worry about it. we will pass a law and it will change everything in this cream court has shown us they don't care about laws. they care about controlling power. when we talk to everyday people about the court, we are saying when you vote, your vote has so much power. that means when you vote for the right candidate, they will have the opportunity to put supreme court justices and federal lower or justices on the bench. that's when we have our day in court. we have to have a pipeline of justice to make that happen. when rbd passed away -- when our bg passed away -- when rbg passed away, they said the court was broken. when the rules aren't working, the republicans change the r

we will tell you why attorney general merrick garland is facing new calls to the ag under the microscopellowing the warning that saudi arabia will face consequences for teaming up with russia, delma cutting oil production, they are now punching back. suggesting the president's playing politics are urging oil producing nations not to cut production until after midterms. but we begin tonight in north carolina where at least five are dead, two wounded, and a suspect finally in custody. ashley strohmier has the breaking information p.r. go what we know exactly? >> police have a suspect in custody. the mayor said a man with a long gun started shooting on a walking trail around 5:00 p.m. officers blocked off streets and surrounded the neighborhood and an hour long manhunt well telling residents to shelter in place. 8:00 p.m. the mayor said that the suspects contained but it wasn't until two hours later he was described as in custody. the officer was transported to the hospital but has since been released. another person remains in critical condition. mayor speaking to the community regarding t

after full investigations, i think merrick garland could be impeached on the southern he could b border. i think you can impeach.e but what he's trying to do to these parents, the parents rights movement, i think thatth merrick garlanern d will bed net impeached next year by the new congress. >> one of the reason ysstem our system has become partisann and the rule of lawo on is evaporating because no one is pushing back against it.f ariee you satisfied with thespoo response from electedo republicans to what's happened to you?u? is anyone r you, it'p fo do you think? >> i think it's fine., electe and look, look, elect d republicans. what they need to do now is focus on the 8th in november. tucker, there's no substitute for victory. we have a very good opportunitt viy here to shatter the democraticni party as a national political institution. from school boards to state legislatures toto attorney general secretaries of state to take the house by 40 or 50 seats and maybe taked the senate by four or five seats to meet elected officials right now. should sht focus on just focus on winng with

merrick garland, the a.g., last been hands off allowing durham to do his thing.esn't want to get in the way. he said i renewed durham's budget, i let him do his thing. while we don't 100% know if merrick garland will give the sign off on john durham to release his report. i suspect that he will give that sign-off to allow that durham report to be released. just getting some information from jay gibson. he said igor danchenko hugged his wife who was in tears and again, not guilty on all four counts. >> neil: i'm wondering in the case of merrick garland but not intruding in the case, he's letting not that durham is inpleading -- imploding but the whole caught my be imploding. >> it's hard to tell. there was a lot that john durham wanted to bring in to the trial that the judge would not let him bring in for evidence reasons and other reasons. so i think john durham, if you'd ask him -- i wish we could ask him and do an interview with us. he probably won't do an interview. i wish we could ask and see if he didn't get a fair shake from the beginning and do things diff

wetmore have we learned this week and the fbi where it stands today under merrick garland?the level of corruption of malfeasance and political malevolence especially toward donald trump is breathtaking they were so desperate they offered a one million-dollar reward to christopher steele if he could prove the dossier which the fbi already knew was phony. think about that the equivalent of a bounty on trumps head in the outrageous financial incentive for him to fabricate even more. this level of corruption is quite stunning and what we have learned in the trial that christopher steele could never collect the money because you cannot prove the truth of ally. that did not stop the fbi from using the dossier as a basis for the investigation to obtain the's to spy on the trump campaign by january 2017 they tracked down igor and then said we made it all up that by this time of course the media had already publish the dossier and proceeded to convict trump in the court of public opinion while peter struck and others that mute at the fbi knowing full well it was all made up. you are

i think this is tough evidence for merrick garland to ignore. the president of the united states who's the leader of the executive branch of government was fighting to join a violent attack on the legislative branch to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. it wasn't just a symbolic assault on democracy. it was a literal assault. >> let's talk about this a little joyce. a bunch of legal things are happening to donald trump at the moment. he's got to testify in the ag carroll hearing, last time he had to testify he pled the fifth 400 times i believe. he may be subpoenaed tomorrow by the january 6th committee. he's got the mar-a-lago stuff. where is the legal jeopardy? people ask me this. i'm sure they ask you this. they stop ministry and say is donald trump ever going to face the consequences for anything he has ever done? where in your opinion are we now in that process and is it likely to ever happen? >> it's everywhere at this point. i think people have a lot of difficulty believing that it will actually happen at some point, because trump's

merrick garland, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you. barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, thank you as always, barb for your wisdom on this friday evening. >> thanks very much,, alex. we >> have lots more to get to tonight. another day, another damning allegation of his proxy leveled against georgia gop senate candidates georgia herschel walker. their three new stories out in the last few hours with blockbuster details. the reporter who broke one of those stories joins us next. and -- author and activist heather mcgee joins us to discuss a growing trend in gop politics, leaving those who call out structural racism the racists. stay with us. stay with us (vo) the older. the physically challenged. the last to be chosen. shelter dogs with special needs face a far longer road to adoption. but subaru knows even the toughest roads can lead to the most amazing places. that's why subaru and our retailers created national make a dog's day... to help all underdogs find homes. subaru. more than a car company. new astepro allergy. no alle

i tell you, i had merrick garland in front of judiciary committee questioning him on it he had done noe diligence, i asked him. how many were violent? he did not know, high did he did not care, today the doj and fbi, they are interviewing moms and dads, treating the fbi as political enforces of the diagram creates. democrat. >> book, justice corrupted. let's hone in on mar-a-lago. i say these so-called former federal prosecutors and legal analyst, you start with that warrant, it was so broad it was outrageous, then you move into breaking into donald trump's home. latest latest leak, he moved documents, he moved documents from one room to his office, they think they have an obstruction case, what do you make of this and leaks. >> in 230 years of our nation's history, this never happened we've never seen the department of justice raid the former home of a president. it is done by an opposing party because that i want to attack donald trump, there was a fishing exposition. everyone has taken documents from previous administration, the biden administration, is looking to gain political adv

i know it's your informed analysis of merrick garland.ust want to address michael's point about trump and violence. i think it's so important. forget about the law for a second. i mean, the attack today on paul pelosi is exactly the kind of violent extremism that i would expect every politician, every figure in particular republicans to be condemning strongly and swiftly. i would have expected better from other republicans if wur not seeing it. with respect to garland, i don't think we're disagreeing. i say that garland is a person who i think isn't, you know, blood thirsty and trying to be the first attorney general to indict a former president. this is a prosecution that has to happen. i think the mar-a-lago one is going to show which the evidence is overwhelming and the signals sent to the national security establishment by not doing it is devastating. the justice department is locking up ordinary americans for munor crimes. how do you do that and put people in jail for that? so i agree with michael. it's got to be done. >> all right.

merrick garland is still john durham's boss even as the special counsel.nts that have been lobed coming out of the special counsels office would be tempered or not released at all. as to the true story there, we may never know. >> neal katyal, we're going to share everything we know about this really sort of miscarriage of the justice department with our viewers today. let me put it all out there. durham spent, as pete said, as far as we know, $5.8 million according to justice department records. here is the timeline. in may 2019, barr tapped durham to lead a wide-ranging inquiry into the russia investigation investigators. i think there were, by that time, at least a dozen tweets from trump about investigating the investigators. again, the timelining of trump's tweets to doj policy. barr named durham special counsel, meaning the investigation could continue during the biden administration. september 2020, nora dannehy, senior prosecutor in durham's investigation resigns. in january 2021, kevin cline smith was sentenced to one year probation that he had al

merrick garland, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you. barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, thank you as always, barb for your wisdom on this friday evening. >> thanks very much,, alex. we >> have lots more to get to tonight. another day, another damning allegation of his proxy leveled against georgia gop senate candidates georgia herschel walker. their three new stories out in the last few hours with blockbuster details. the reporter who broke one of those stories joins us next. and -- author and activist heather mcgee joins us to discuss a growing trend in gop politics, leaving those who call out structural racism the racists. stay with us. alice loves the scent of gain so much, she wished there was a way to make it last longer. say hello to your fairy godmother alice and long-lasting gain scent beads. and now, get $10 back when you spend $30. that's a seriously good deal. y'all wayfairs has just what you need for your home. and now, get $10 back whis that glitter?. this table is on its last leg. y'all need this. you're kelly

. >> franklin, you at "the atlantic" profiled attorney general merrick garland.gs. he said he was watching them in public and he's very adamant that he goes home and he recaps them all the time. so i do think he's paying attention and that can't help but influence the way he sees the bigger picture but i think john is correct. his investigation is moving on a separate track and very important to him in the way he thinks about his job and his responsibilities that in the end, he's not actually influenced by this but i think there is a singer gist tick relationship between the congressional investigation which has certain subpoena powers able to puncture certain privileges that the justice department can't puncture which is why they're so keen to get hold of these transcripts then the justice department has its own subpoena powers and so what is striking to me is how after this thorough investigation where we have this abundance of evidence, technology permits to us see everything. we have all these text messages yet there are other technologies encrypted and the a

how much do you think an indictment from merrick garland is going to play into the timing of all this and the vigor with which trump and his republican allies pursue impeachment? i don't think impeachment will come first quarter of new year. they're going to go through a bunch of investigations. momentum will start to build. first of all, the base is going to demand it. if the investigations find dirt on biden, if justification hurt the president, then the basis is going go in for the kill and finish the job. the one person who does have the most control over the republican caucus is donald trump. i don't want say that, you know, one post on truth social controls the agenda. but if trump decides that he wants to see biden impeached and pushes for it with the base behind him, that's going to be a influence that the republican leadership and the houseep can' really resist. it's going to come down to a precipitating event. the one youec mentioned is certainly a likely one f trump gets indicted, he has already threatened there is violence on the street. but he always deflects charges agai

still ahead, it's been one year since merrick garland asking fbi to morgantown parents at school board meetings. a mom fighting for parents rights ever since joins us live. plus, a terrifying warning for florida in florida. 911 services down in one county as search and rescue efforts are underway, the latest on ian's impacts still ahead. pete: one year ago attorney general merrick garland asked the fbi to investigate parents at school board meetings. it was at the request of this letter from the national school board's association, which compared protesting to domestic terrorism. viola garcia that wrote that letter now serves on the department of education's national assessment governor board. while that -- while the association of school boards retracted that letter, the doj has not apologized to parents. here to react is parents defending education founder nicole neily. it's important we remember these things and don't forget them a year later. are they still pursuing this? what's the status right now of school boards and parents? >> absolutely. house judiciary member jim jordan reve

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and i'd like to deliver a message directly to attorney general merrick garland. you can intimidate us and threaten us. you can mobile ice the fbi against us. you can even drag us out of our homes in a predawn raid. we are not going to stop reporting on radical gender in schools and surgeries on minors. we are not going to stop until we've taken this radical ideology out have our institutions. there's nothing you can do to stop us, the people of this country are coming and won't stop until you're finished. >> laura: i think a lot of the new immigrants coming into this country, legal immigrants don't want this. this is not what they came to the united states for. thank you >> dr. mehmet oz has all the momentum now in the pennsylvania senate race as polling that once had him down to double digits is now within two. he's here to explain. and why is starbucks coming after washington senate candidate tiffany smiley? she's going to tell us in moments. as someone with hearing loss i know what a confusing and frustrating experience getting hearing aids can be. that's why

, what are your plans for merrick garland?ey are right we have to look really close at the justice department. we may have to do major changes, there may be structural changes at the fbi, the washington field office has way too much power, you may need to disperse power, there needs to be process changes, the one of the things the fbi goes in interview someone, when they interviewed mike flynn they did a 302 and write things down and prosecuting michael flynn we think those interviews so should be an audiotape of that so we can get the fax of what took place because they know they would set up michael flynn in the early days of the trump administration. maybe we need to do with their funding certainly we need to make changes to the pfizer reauthorize which will come up in the next congress those are key things we need to look at. then also the impeachment question, the committee will look at that'll be a decision for the entire conference under then speaker mccarthy. maria: the republican national committee is also saying that