turn is when the world was relatively multipolar, but arguably the center of gravity was in the mesopotamia in valley and was to the east. then beginning in the late medieval period said wells, 1300, you begin to see the commercialism rise in europe and cities are born to lead you begin to see the middle class, and by roughly 17, 1800, europe was dominant so the pendulum had swung from a stumble from that part of the world up to northern europe. but i am arguing in this book is the pendulum has started to swing again and that is because we seapower moving from the west that is to see north america and europe, and it's heading east, but it's not just hitting east and that is why it is called no one's moral. i don't believe that any country regional or model will dominate in fact i think we are headed to a world in the first time in history will be interdependent, globalized, but without a political anchor. >> why do these terms take so long? you're talking about since the 17th and 18th century you were talking about the next term. >> i think that this will be the fastest because we live in t

years ago suddenly we had we went from hunter gatherer type of nomadic societies to fixed cities mesopotamia suddenly the introduction of the permanent military you ended up with this sort of corporate approach to economic management defined as the state which invariably generates imbalance and conflict of the necessity to override the interests of other states very similar by the way to how our economic principles work across the world through the corporate enterprise in the free for all markets i often refer to it it's a competitive warlike system so in the broader scope what do we expect when the states begin to behave this way if you were to look at a map of all the territorial disputes all the resource acquisitions all the end exemptions going going through history it's one massive affair of warfare thousands and thousands of wars that have existed for the past five thousand years that have been noted so the problem is much more underlined we can talk about the specifics of the israeli palestinian conflict we can talk about the chinese russia and iranian issue with respect to power deve

we talk about mesopotamia as the cradle of civilization but this civilization it was the cradle of -- is now a muslim country. we talk in our own time about egypt. when the kingdom of egypt was founded in 1922, the second finance minister was a jew. it is inconceivable. all the jews have left egypt now. it would be inconceivable for a jew to be finance minister in egypt. when you study the history of muslim expansionism in its first centuries from spain to india, in more recent times you understand that this is a religion but is also an imperialists project in a way that christianity was not. if you look at the differences between christ's final message to his disciples and mohammad, muhammed basically says go around the world and make them submit to islam by conquest. christ says taken around the world and preach to them and convert them which is what happened. there's a fundamental difference, most universalist religions that islam takes an entirely different view in the temporal world and that is something we should study honestly and reach our own conclusions about. >> host: the w

we talk about mess poe tama -- mesopotamia, iraq, the cradle of civilization, but, in fact, the civilization it was the cradle of died, and it is now a muslim country. we talk about, um, in our own time egypt when the kingdom of egypt was founded in 1922. i believe its second finance minister was a jew. it is inconceivable. all the jews have left egypt now. 90 years later, it would be inconceiven for a jew to be finance minister in egypt. and when you study the history of either muslim expansionism in its first centuries from spain to india, what's now spain to india, or in more recent times, um, you understand that this is a religion, but it is also an imperialist project in a way that christianity was not. um, and you, if you look at the differences between christ's final message to his disciples and mohamed's, mohamed's, basically, says go around the world and make them submit to islam by conquest, christ says go and take it round the world and preach to them by, and convert them to it which is what happened. and there's a fundamental difference. they're both universalist, they're both un