look at them and tell us which one is messier. >> i think we know my desk is messier but that doesn't mean it's germier. >> i didn't say. >> i love you. >> it probably is. but let us know what you think and how your desk looks. >> and there's 8 coffee cups on my desk. yes. >> have a good day.

>> it's a lot messier today than it was in the past. and so -- >> why? >> well, because you have a strain of conservatism, social conservatism among african-americans that doesn't match their politics or political voice which tends to be democratic, which tends to be some kind of reformist version of anything that starts on the black left. so on one hand, you have blacks and social communists who were in scope and saw the rest of the world as evidence of capitalists and imperialism and most certainly in the context of the golden era which everyone talks about, combining interests of labor and racial democracy. so there's a richer history of leaning much more to the left and being aligned with politics. the long running critique of black leadership and those sympathizing with the organizing of the left but not necessarily identifying with socialists, was that there was internal racism. that there was manipulation of black people for the purposes of sort of gaining leverage in the american ideological debate but not really recognizing the unique challenges

as the storm shifts, it will get even messier as we have the friday afternoon. check out abc2news.com. we'll show you the live traffic cameras and get you any updates we can and you can text wmar to 46988 to get all the information you need in your hands before you go anywhere. >> that's another thing to watch out too. depending which direction you are going to, like hartford county. if you're working in downtown baltimore, you can see this and paying attention to the web site and one of the apps, the thing you have to watch out for is you may want to delay your trip home. i know everybody wants to get home after work, why would you want to drive through a ton of rain, hail, or any other circumstances? just wait a little bit. maybe an hour. you won't have to deal with a big back-up of traffic or dealing with the rain, but follow the app at abc2news.com or you can get a better understanding of what's going on with the weather. >> mike, you see the ominous weather. we expect that in the direction of baltimore as well? >> the short answer, yes. the whole system is

so it just gets messier by the day, more intricate, more complicated, and eventually going to be muche. >> arwa damon watching all of this in beirut. arwa, thanks very much. >>> pakistan is again demanding an apology from the united states before it will consider reopening critical military supply routes from afghanistan. millions of dollars worth of military equipment have been stranded since pakistan closed the routes in november in protest of a nato drone strike that killed two dozen oifts soldiers. defense secretary leon panetta says that's adding $100 million a month to the cost of the afghan war. i spoke about this and more with the former pakistani ambassador to the united states, husain haqqani. mr. ambassador, thanks very much for coming in. you've got your own problems, but first on this issue, the u.s./pakistani relationship, the countries have so much at stake. why is there this increasing anti-american attitude in pakistan? >> wolf, my view on this is very different from that of many people in my country, which is probably the reason why i face the troubles that i do. i t

and fears europe will get messier and we might not be that far behind. senator john thune has been warning about that in washington. and the republican joining me now. we tend to snicker senator when we look at europe and say what a mess they are. we're not a heck of a lot better, are we? >> we really aren't, neil. good afternoon by the way. you look at what's happened last four days, the stock market has been going down eight of the last nine days, a reduction in the market, but it's based upon what's happening in europe and i think what the lesson in this for us should be we've got to get our fiscal house in order. there are just warning signs, red lights flashing everywhere to this country. and warning us about what's going to happen if we don't take steps to get on a sustainable fiscal path and europeans, countries like spain which are dealing not only with a housing bubble will you also a contracting economy and huge amounts of debt, credit drying up. those are the things that we're going to face in the future if we don't take steps to turn the coun

say it brings spain and italy, it as much messier, then 2 is even worse. obama has really very little control and he's sort of a victim of this myth that presidents control the economy your to your. >> woodruff: so mark, he may not be responsible for it all but will bear the brunt. one thing he has been saying, he has been going to individual state, swing states where the economy is doing a little better than for the country as a whole am could that provide some salvage? or -- >> it's providing encouragement, console says-- consolation for democrats that know the winds have turned north. i think, judy, in the final analysis, people's assessment of the economy is national. it's the national unemployment rate. it's dow jones average. it's how people feel about the country. those are all national figuresment you may feel better personally about your own situation if your state is doing better. it probably helps in a place like ohio because you can make the case there that the president's initiative and leadership on the auto bailout has made the and turned oh

[laughter] >> it does not get messier than that. >> thank you for being my personal -- all my gosh.that is so good. that is really chocolate. really fantastic. go ahead and give us the hot barbecue whether. >> our forecast today, similar to yesterday. a few degrees cooler. up their 100. every bit and humid -- as you did. scattered showers and thunderstorms. possibly severe. what's the next system developing in indiana and ohio right now. sunday, we could do it again. >> thank you. that is all the time we have. "today" is next. see you back in a few minutes for an update. >> have a good day. >> this is a wbal tv 11 editorial. >> the trials are underway and the excitement has just begun. in the midst of the bicentennial of the war of the team 12, independence day and the upcoming 2012 olympics, we can say we are proud to be americans. the olympics are the world stage like no other with the best athletes competing and representing their countries. the trials and all of the games will be here on wbal tv 11. join us 730 at night for the ozone to keep up with all the action. certainly, al

. >> nationwide air travel mess is expected to get messier this morning.along the east coast forced dozens of flights to be delayed or cancelled on friday. the problem of compounded when a fire broke out at an airport technical center in new jersey. the ripple effect is expected to last at least through today. >>> kentucky derby and preakness winner oil have another is going to japan for stud duty. >> sad story, obviously when he didn't make it into that final race but also i question this whole japan thing. is this where all horses go for stud duty? >> japan? >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> maybe lonnie can answer that for us. >> whoa, whoa. lonnie sticks to the weather. >> go for it. >> putting the horse on a plane? >> i don't know. >> we're guessing. this is what i got for you. take a look at the entire country and i can show you where the toughest, wettest weather will be. first thing you notice right here, around the northern plains, this will be affecting the area around the western great lakes. half inch of rain in that system. then look out he

the world is much messier than that. i will throw out something to you and you can't agree with it or disagree with it and if you disagree vehemently please say so and we will talk about it some more. i would suggest that people -- i am going to get pretty inflammatory. the people who prefer novels to history are people who like their stories tidied up. they like their stories to come to some kind of conclusion. doesn't have to be a happy ending that has to be a ending whereas history doesn't have an end. in real life it doesn't have conclusions. we strive for closure. most of the time we don't get it. life goes on and you go to the next thing. that is part of what my mom admitted to but what she really -- how about historical novels? the novels that are connected. she likes those okay but she said the best novels are the ones that don't have any connection to reality at all. i scratched my head over that until she said i get enough reality in my daily life. the reason i read books and go to movies is to turn off the rea

although that's a little messier.the dw nominate score, there is some empirical grounding here. we were talking about the causal story. and you say, they've become implacably opposed to the political opposition they face. but i don't understand why that's different than someone you say, it used to be about problem-solving. why was it about problem-solving before. why were there a certain set of cultural norms that pertained in washington before and now those norms are different? >> it's a combination of things, partly there were prior to this polarization, a number of republicans who were outside of that zeitgeist, who wanted to legislate. but over time, they came to leave the party and the center of gravity in the party became vehemently ideological and oppositional. and then the backdrop to this in the broader society with the new media, really came to support a whole new set of norms that said, we, we are engaged in a holy war. >> i'm sitting back, not as a political scientist, just as your average citizen watching