you say all you're looking at is meta data. what does meta data mean to you? >> how much does it mean to you, david simon? you expressed some less outrage or less -- >> i think i'm being precise about what i'm concerned about and not. you just confladed prism with phone meta data and they are different programs subject to different laws and ultimately, phone meta data was not part of prism. prism was part of the internet and capturing that targeted overseas allegedly. you know, they aren't looking -- they aren't authorized to look. what they are actually doing, if you actually have a moment it's being misused, that's another ball of wax but right now when you talk about phone meta data, what you're saying to me effectively is all of a sudden after 30, 40 years of this stuff being legal for law enforcement, whether you agree with it or not, suddenly, it is -- we're going to apply a different standard of the fourth amendment. i can't get my back up about that. you can't show me a single american that has been denied his fourth amendment right because the nsa gat

and so i feel very uncomfortable about using aggregated meta data on hundreds of millions of americans, everybody, including every member of congress and every citizen who has a phone in the united states of america. this is unsustainable. it's outrageous and must be stopped immediately.

wouldn't consider or the fisa court wouldn't consider that it would affect your ability to collect meta data in any way whatsoever which is to say you are

i believe we should limit the meta data collection. the notion we're going to collect all of the phone records of everyone living in an area code on the off-chance that someone in that area code may be a suspect at a later time goes way too far. and there should be another step, the fisa courts, there should be a real court proceeding. in this case, it's fixed in a way, it's loaded. there's only one case coming

and surveilling people meta data is not a small thing it is already something very very disturbing so nothing tells us that this is only used for the security for the state or fighting the terrorists it can also be used for political reasons or for economical reason we have no way of knowing what is being done with those data officials interrelated about it said it is not the legal it is a legal like it is in the law is on like if it justified anything so the fact that they might not be lows about the massive collection interception of meta data is in itself a democratic problem we should put all governments in front of their responsibility we should make them accountable and we should make transparency on those programs and they should be questioned by the legislative branches live from moscow to r.t. and russia city of cazan has put on its best face twenty seven of the world university games are set to kick off in a splendid opening ceremony that will be presided over by vladimir putin as organizers apply the finishing touches are to his poll scott took a walk around the back. ov

that's not how it works and the amount of meta data that can be collected is reviewed every 90 days by. the provisions by which all this happens, enacted by congress. i know you opposed them all, but i think they were responsible. sunset every three years and congress has a chance to review them. and oh by the way i agree with senator feinstein in her op-ed today who thinks there are reasons why we might narrow some of those provisions. congress is debating this. i think that is the very good thing and it might be time to narrow how much data is collected, what the standards for review are and to do something else that i know you support. which is to have an ombudsman in the fisa court reviewing how it functions. >> well wolf, the american people have an expectation of privacy in this. if you go back to your district and talk to the american people as i've done, they will dell thaw they expect this information to be kept private. the fisa court is a rubber stamp. it is not kept private because it's collected by the federal government and kept in a do database. and you won't deny that.

in other words, the input and output of the program is limited to meta data. practice only a small portion of the data collected is ever reviewed. a vast majority of data it is never going to be responsive to terrorism related query. fewer than 300 identifiers were approved for searching the data tap the rational for the program is because the meta data is collected you want to find needle in the hay stack you have to have the hay stack. requires a court order based on probably cause. i'm turning now to the second program under section 702 involving the government's collection of foreign intelligence information from electronic communication service providers, urnt court super vision pursuant to section 702. s t name of a government data base. under zek 702 which was reauthorized by congress in december of 2012, information is obtained with fisa court approval with the knowledge of a provider and based on a written directive for the attorney general and the directer of national intelligence to acquire foreign intelligence information. the somebody not a citize

grand jury process because this is quite different from a grand jury process. > the type of data is meta data unlimited to specific individual. >> the type of data is meta data -- >> unlimited to specific individuals because it's the record to everybody. it's the record to every phone call in the united states. can you give me any example where a grand jury subpoena has been used for anything remotely like that. >> these are instances where we've gone to the court under the 215 requirements -- >> you're not answering my question. can you give me any example in the history of the united states where a grand jury subpoena was used for anything remotely resembling all meta data, not to specific phones or specific individuals. >> grand jury speens have a different function than a 215 under the patriot act. >> i understand that. you're not answering my questions. we know they have a different function. . but the statute is says it can only acquire a specific thing if it can be obtained through a grand jury subpoena. >> can you obtain meta data without specific names or tell phones? >> i think it w

>> i was saying telephony meta data until somebody told me how to pronounce it. they wrote an article called "privacy in the digital age" and we have no fourth amendment protection to anything we voluntarily revealed to a third party. when we have everything, every communication goes through third party provider. everything you up load to i cloud. does that mean we have no fourth amendment protection through our electronic communication? >> i actually agree. >> that was in a nutshell? >> you are worse than i am. walter, you love this guy and we went back and now can you agree that he is the anti-christ? >> first i wrote the novel "up in the air" which is about living in the airport. if there is a wolfgang puck or chili's he will be okay. him and assange are now living in rooms with not much natural light. one in ecuador embassy and him in an airport. we need to build a new floating country for cyber exiles. hua wee can let them go there. >> that's a great idea. maybe we can use gitmo. >> snowden i was decemberen -- disenchanted with as an individual, but the nsa

the you believe the bulk collection of meta data for e- mails and telephone calls is a corporate, evenhen the majority of individuals with whom those things are associated are law-abiding americans? >> center, i'm not familiar with the details of the current programs. obviously, i have been out apartment for eight years. as a general matter, i know that is acollection of meta data valuable tool in the fight against terrorism. >> while he describes waterboarding as torture and illegal, he alleges citing an authorization of its use while in the bush and administration. he did not say why his view on water boarding had changed since 2005. during the hearing, they praised him for refusing to reauthorize the bush administration's spy program while serving as attorney general. he alerted ashcroft and white house aides. according to news reports, the surveillance program later resumed under similar legal framework and senior bush of mission officials said that he raised few objections to other programs. >> for more on the nomination of james comey, we're joined by fbi special agent colleen ro

up until now i have not heard of datas of abuse, the meta program. if it starts you may have a different answer. second, what is the nature of the threat? we're not in october 2001 where we knew nothing and had to do everything. we are now 12 years in, al qaeda is weaker, or at least spread out, and we have a hold. so there is a diminished need. it could change. we could have a resurgence of terrorism, we could have a diminishing. the last thing is about technology. what is kerrey is not that there could be improper action for people will behave badly. i am worried about the unbelievable increase in the capacity of them looking into our lives, which will change every other year. we gave a tentative answer in the congress this year. let's have a debate in two years once conditions have changed. >> those in power, in respect of a party, say that is great, we should have a debate, but we cannot debate this, because that would compromise our national security. we want a full and free debate, and that is what the country is owed. people who have informati

. >> the analysis of meta data is an important tool. >> making public now of the secret intelligence, authorizing that surveillance. if confirmed, he says he will push for greater transparency, as long as it does not compromise u.s. national security. aljazeera, capitol hill. >> coffins containing hundreds of victims of a massacre have been carried through the capital and were recently identified by dna tests. >> the families of the victims, this time of year is always an ordeal. they were carrying the bones of victims, set off for a cemetery. this is where, on thursday, the 18th anniversary of the biggest massacres since world war two, they will be gathering in remembrance. >> i am here to say farewell to my father and my brother. i found them after nearly 20 years. >> in a space of a few days, 8000 were killed by bosnian forces, which the united nations had claimed an area of safe haven. they are still working on identifying the bodies found in mass graves. she says on average, she examines the 10 bodies every day. >> so far, about 6000 bodies have been buried, and there are many un

. >> that's the meta data. i believe the calls are being recorded as well.ple i've talked to have told me, everything, all of your digital exhaust is being recorded which is why they outgrew the -- >> i'm computer-illiterate. if i pick up my cell phone and talk to somebody, you're saying that that call is being recorded installed? >> that's what i believe. >> that would be impossible. it's billions and billions of calls. >> that's why they outgrew ft. meade, maryland and built that place in uts. >> how sure are you that regular phone calls are being stored? >> i can't tell you for sure. >> that would be the biggest scandal. i can't imagine. e-mails, that's cyber space. so if you're going to put something in writing, you can grab it. but just a casual phone call. you really think they're being record and stored? >> the people i talked to believe they have the capability and may be doing it but i can't say for 100% certainty. >> i have to say i can't believe they're doing it because that would be such a violation of this country. that would lead to totalitaria

he adds that collecting this meta data closes the loop that made the 9/11 attacks possible. anyway, i prefer to focus on this. >> by the way, i meant to say nsa, not tsa, the person who made that mistake in the prompter is now going to be punished at my apartment. that's how i do it. >> lucky. >> my monday. he said when terrorist attacks succeed members of congress are the first to demand that intelligence officials need to explain why they failed to, quote, connect the dots. if the program is taken away they need to explain it. >> i'm so tired of the morons we're sending to capitol hill. it's about whatever is politically expaid yent. this had nothing to do with the problem, this is what the public was upset about. the great washington game is the congressmen and senators get briefed in on programs constantly. they always know about these things. it's not as if this is the first time they've heard about the nsa programs. they were given a lot of information about these things and the pact they have is when something is exposed in the press, they run to the podium and they e

saying -- quote -- "i realize later senator wyden was asking about met at that data collection -- meta data collection. thus my response was clearly erroneous for which i apologize." >> a terror attack foiled in canada and the suspect started to use the same weapons as the boston bombings. a man and a woman are under arrest this morning. police say they planned to use several pressure cookers to set off explosions at canada day in victoria. a police found the bombs hours before thousands of people showed up at the square. police say the couple was inspired by al qaeda, but they didn't get any foreign help in plotting their attack. >> twice as nice. >> ground ball to third. throw to first and homer bailey for the second time in his major league career has tossed a no-hitter. >> cincinnati reds pitcher homeer bailey those his second career no hitter. bailey dominated the san francisco giants striking out nine in the reds 3-0 win last night in cincinnati. bailey's second no hitter since september of last year, in fact, he's thrown the last two no hitters in major league baseball. >> that is yo

it doesn't matter, this meta-data is very revealing.will show where you're going all the time your political leanings and information even your friends and family may not know. >> michael: and critics are saying they're storing the data for the future. why should we be concerned about that? >> they have this massive database which they can keep for five years in some cases and forever in others, which they can then hand off to the fbi and other government agencies for any crime whatsoever. they say they're only allowed to do this for anti-terrorism purposes. but that's now how the law is written. where now everybody's information is relevant to a potential future investigation. the fourth amendment has been turned on its head. >> michael: seeing that as we have, and certainly as we have since snowden told us about it, is there--are we as a nation comfortable? are you, trevor timm, is there surveillance in the nsa? we know it's not going to go away. but where are we comfortable? >> we've been hearing that americans are comfortable with t

. >> i feel very uncomfortable about using aggregated aggregated meta-data on hundreds of millions ofricans, everybody, including every member of congress and every citizen who has a phone in the united states of america. this is unsustainable. it's outrageous. and must be stopped immediately. >> cenk: now i love that john conyers is speaking out here, and i talked to him a long time ago. we ended up randomly having dinner, it really was random, but he had this building frustration for the lack of policies in the obama administration. why are we ignoring the fourth amendment, and why are we wiretapping everybody. everybody you go to blake rare raholt. this is fascinating when they agree. usually they're not going to agree. >> how is having every phone call that i make to my wife, to my daughter relevant to any terror investigation? >> i don't know that every call you make to your wife-- >> but you got them. >> i don't know that they would be relevant, and we would probably not seek to query them because we wouldn't have the information that we would need to make that query. >> did you

as we saw in that vote republicans don't agree on whether the nsa with its meta data program to look at the information about americans phone calls should be as broad as it is. it's interesting also because rand paul has made no secret about his desire to run for president in 2016 and neither has chris christie. i think you'll see this play out over any number of issues including government shut down. you will see this divide in the republican party which happens frequently when party is out of power and there's no specific leader. it is the back and forth and to and froing of a party trying to get back in power. that's what you're seeing. >> they seem very far apart. how much of this is political posturing and how much is this is firmly what i believe here? i'm going to take you on. you take me on, i'm going to take you on as well. >> when you consider that governor cristie is from new jers jersey, any number of the victims of 9/11 are from new jersey so it's a personal thing to him. you can see him taking this on. on the other hand he likes headlines. rand paul likes headlines. the

>> they're going to sell the meta data, and that's a form of taking it from us and putting it in other'sts. is it possible they would take people's private data, release it sell it, is that a possibility? >> you know, i mean, it's always a possibility. if you look back on what happened with instagram this is something where they were just storing your photos, and then decided to change the terms and conditions and subtly, they could sell your photos. it goes back to that idea of being able to change the terms. when you're entering into this agreement, that is based entirely on trust you're saying do i rust you facebook, google, twitter, apple. at the any point in the future, the people running the company could change, the company could suddenly become public and that point, their whole business not he will shifts. that could happen. we have to say do we trust them. unfortunately, because they can change the situation trust isn't even enough. >> so cullen, one last thing, is there a petition people can sign on to to say enough's enough. >> this stuff is scary but i think it can be stoppe

content of -- >> so the tweet's only 144 characters -- 140 characters, but there's 33 pieces of meta datath it? >> yes. and so we're used to it. we're inured to it. particularly people under 50. polls show that under 50 people tended not even to follow the snowden story. doesn't mean it's not a real issue. it is. but i think you see it reflected in the political environment in washington. who is -- take james clapper, who lied and really should be out in my view. also he's such an incompetent liar you think why is this guy running national intelligence? at least a spy should be able to lie effectively. but anyway, who's calling -- who in washington is calling for him to be out? not the democratic leadership or the republican leadership. and indeed, i think whether it's nancy pelosi and harry reid or mitch mcconnell and john boehner, they're all sort of on the same page. snowden's sort of the villain. he should be apprehended. and the big issues are being lost. indeed, they're being lost under the shadow of snowden, who's a fascinating character. >> the reaction in washington i think actua

i think that it's important to distinguish between broad surveillance programs looking at meta-data. trying to find the needles in this vast global haystack that threatens germans and americans and people around the world. but distinguish between... (noj8 audio) (stand) by) keeping everybody safe or safer for the past decade. >> suarez: but it sounds like that's not going to be enough of an explanation. >> i don't think so. i think people over in germany certainly would now say, yes, we can means now now it means yes we can. so the trust is seriously undermined. there is certainly a difference between popular opinion and elite opinion. there are, of course, the realists who would say everybody does it. but not everybody does it as well as the americans. but certainly the populations all across europe will ask the question whether they're more threatened by u.s. surveillance or by terrorism. if the local domestic spy agency had to do it on their own. >> suarez: david ignatius, gentlemen, thank you both. >> woodruff: we return now to >> ifill: the interest rate is doubling from 3.4% to

i believe we should limit the meta data collection. the notion we're going to collect all of the phone records of everyone living in an area code on the off-chance that someone in that area code may be a suspect at a later time goes way too far. and there should be another step, the fisa courts, there should be a real court proceeding. in this case, it's fixed in a way, it's loaded. there's only one case coming before the fisa's case. it's the government's case. let's have an advocate for someone standing up for civil liberties to speak up about the privacy of americans when they make the decisions, and release some of the transcripts, carefully redacted so people understand the debate in the courts. >> so senator chambliss, support for ending that program seems to be growing. can you defeat the amendment, number one, and number two, what kind of reforms can you support? >> well, certainly it's good to have a healthy debate on this issue, george. i agree with dick that the right kind of oversight is absolutely necessary. we have got ov

scrap these programs that allow the nsa, the national security agency, to sweep up what's called the meta data, which is call details in the united states in order to track down terrorists. last month, general haden, michael haden, former head of the nsa, former head of the cia, was on "meet the press." he said the following about these programs. listen. >> i think it's living in this kind of a democracy, we're going to have to be a little bit less effective in order to be a little bit more transparent to get to do anything to defend the american people. >> do you agree with what general hayden said there? >> well, i'm not sure what point he was making there, but let me tell you this, i mean, i share the frustration of the american people, and that's what we saw happen recently. it was a collision of really bad, awful policies and ideas coming out of administration, the data hub that would take social security and health information and other information, put it in one place. all of that is bad, and we should all be very concerned about it. the problem was this was i think the first opportunit

he started a very valuable debate about this meta data, the tremendous surveillance going on.o the politics is changing on this and views of snowden will change as people don't like the surveillance. >> thank you so much, david rohde, and and thank you, michael hirsh, for your expertise. we'll be back after this. this day calls you. to fight chronic osteoarthritis pain. to fight chronic low back pain. to take action. to take the next step. today, you will know you did something for your pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is a pain reliever fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can help reduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens, you have unusual changes in mood or behavior or thoughts of suicide. anti-depressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. cymbalta is not for children under 18. people taking maois, linezolid or thioridazine or with uncontrolled glaucoma should not take cymbalta. taking it with nsaid pain relievers, aspirin, or blood thinners may increase bleeding risk. s

. >> stephanie: that's what meta data is. ing about that too. "the guardian" piece i was reading from about sure, you think you have nothing to hide. so far. until someone decides that something you've said or did you know, an overzealous prosecutor can link you to someone because you shared some kind of e-mail connection. you know. you can be -- >> stephanie: that's a good point, jim but you sound really guilty. >> put on a no-fly list. jim ward. >> probably another jim ward out there. >> stephanie: stop it! 45 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." cenk off air>>> and they can question if i'm right about that. but i think the audience gets that, i actually mean it. cenk on air>>> 3 trillion dollars in spending cuts! narrator>>> uniquely progressive and always topical the worlds largest online news show is on current tv. cenk off air>>> and i think the audience gets, "this guys to best of his abilities is trying to look out for us." only on current tv! very, very excited about that and very proud o

. >> i really believe that we should limit this meta data collection.iving in an area code on the offchance someone in that area code may be a suspect at a later time goes way too far. >> but there are supporters of surveillance programs who say national security will suffer if these programs are discontinued. >> in this program, zero privacy violations, 54 violent terrorist attacks thwarted. that's a pretty good record. that's great record and that tells me this is one program that works to protect your privacy and live up to our constitutional obligation in congress that says we must provide for the general defense of the united states. >> glenn greenwald is headed here to washington on capitol hill the day after tomorrow, wednesday, to meet with democrats and republicans at an event on domestic surveillance. back to you. >> steve: all right. thank you very much. glenn greenwald also says he's got a big story coming out. the details, how it all works there. what's troubling is the fact, forget about the meta data, it looks like the information you wou

people when you first came on the scene and revealed the programs that were catching either domestic meta datae calls or catching e-mails on the -- and -- from people overseas communicating with americans you know, people were -- they wanted to know that. now that they're fielding information about u.s. intelligence activities against the european union against russia against china, you know, stuff that has staggered issue national security intelligence. efforts. and that is, in fact, the mission of the nsa that no one is contesting. the rest of the world doesn't like to be spied upon but i think some people are raising questions about whether or not -- why snowden is doing this at this point. it sort of changes his place. >> bill: garance franke-ruta is with the atlantic.com. do you sense any movement, maybe in congress or is congress just going to say look, this is what nsa's gotta do? president obama came out in africa the other day and said this is just what all countries do. and this is what we do. president bush supported him yesterday. so other than ron wyden and mark udall from colorad

government is collecting through an order by the foreign intelligence surveillance court, telephoning meta-datais not the content of phone calls, it is the names -- it is not the names attached of phone calls, it is call x number, and the conversation lasts 30 seconds. maybe not enough insurance to some people out there that they are not doing more. that is what we know so far. as far as what they are doing with other countries, we are learning more every day, and i would be stressful looking at the guardian, "the washington post," and others that have done a good job looking into what the nsa's operations are. the caller raises a great point, and that is oversight. that has always been a big deal for the nsa. they got in trouble in the 1970's with some overreach, and maybe a little bit is too much judgment there. they got an trouble with the 2000s. the question becomes, is there enough oversight? the day after the leak from "the guardian," the chairwoman and ranking member of the senate intelligence committee, doing a joint news conference to defend the program. whether you believe that it is

. >> i believe we should limit the meta data collection. motion we'll collect all of the phone records of everyone living in an area ked on the offiance someone in the area code may be a suspect at a later time goes way too far. >> bill: you may remember that senator durbin told us the same thing two or three weeks ago here on the "full court press." they say we didn't do this ourselves. get to the court and the court oks it. the fisa court and as dick durbin points out, the fisa court is a joke. it is a rubber stamp, really, for the nsa. we need to reform fisa as well. dick durbin talking about the fisa court. >> these fisa courts, there should be a real court proceeding. in this case, it's fixed in a way. it's loaded. only one case coming before the fisa court, the government's case. let's have an advocate for someone standing up for civil liberties. >> bill: good for him. dick durbin -- mark udall, senator from colorado, over the weekend said he thinks -- he said very near unconstitutional what the nsa is doing. so more and more voices o

seems like americans kind of assume there is a certain amount of privacy they don't have and this meta dataing your calls because they send. >> bill that detail all of the calls that you made. so next step, obviously, would be for the government to just kind of be looking in on it. and so just -- that doesn't seem like it is enough. but it is possible there's some other revelation, something domestically that will turn the tide. >> bill: for the time being, it looks like -- other than getting questions from us at the briefings, right, not a big deal. >> this is something where you saw former president bush yesterday defending this. you've seen dick cheney defending this. it is not something where the president has to worry about most republicans being upset with him either. he has -- there's obviously the rand paul contingent and the wyden contingent on the left but there's a very vast middle on this issue that is not going to make it an issue. >> bill: most democrats in the house and in the senate have said they've got no problem with it. jennifer epstein covers the white house for politic

looking at here is a 17-page fisa court order from april that demands all call detail records and meta datas the nsa to adhere to strict measures to protect citizens' privacy. >>> republican lawmakers are pressing new fbi director james to brief congress on benghazi sometime in the next 30 days. according to cnn, eight house and senate republicans are sending director a letter today or tomorrow asking why we yet don't know more about who attacked our libyan consulate last september. the investigation so far has been unacceptable and that fbi efforts need to get more aggressive. we're back after the break. where few others are going. >> it doesn't get anymore real o on a if you believe in state's rights you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think there is any chance we'll ever hear the president even say the word "carbon tax"? >> with an opened mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned great leadership so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter) >

meta-data which is essentially data about data, is not a big deal is simply not consistent with how you can extrapolate about people and their lives just by looking at who they call and where they call from. >> we are going to take two more. the gentleman in the front and the gentleman in the back. >> earlier, you said edward snowden revealed some of the programs that were in existence. we know that the court rulings are secret, but are there still actually surveillance and data gathering programs that have not been disclosed which you feel the public would or should be alarmed about? >> that of course is classified .nd i can't get into it what i will tell you is when you unpack the language of patriot act authority, the authority of the government is essentially limitless. i can't talk about how it is actually used because that is classified, but i can tell you that the authority is essentially a modeless. essentially limitless. at black with computer communications association. i think this is a very important speech and i hope everyone recognizes how important it is. everything you'v

even in such -- the meta data laws, everything that's been -- has been -- has gone through the judicialagon papers and snowden's leak, seek secrecy corrupts just as power corrupts. spying is supposed to be a secret. i think it is a bad analogy. he said the top secret documents which became known as the pentagon papers after i disclosed them taught mekong and the american people have been lied to and dragged into a hopelessly stalemated war. to compare the vietnam war to the nsa program i just think -- >> hal: even if you were saying -- the prism program as an isolated element of the nsa gathering information on people and then having access to it later by getting a fisa warrant, if you have a problem with that, i completely understand it. it is a singular aspect where he could feel right about that. >> stephanie: by the way is the balance wrong between secrecy -- between privacy and security maybe. we should look at that. that's what i think we're talking about. >> hal: when they go into saying we spied on like our eu partners and that kind of stuff. they're doing the exact same thing t

the idea that this particular program that has the nsa collecting me meta data on every single american's based on the assumption that we're all suspected terrorists and all of our communications are relevant to a terrorist investigation. that's not how we do things in the united states. in a republic, the people censor the government. the government does not censor the people. we are already thinking of creating a statute to address some of these problems. that's the focus that edward snowden wanted to get the country on. that was forced upon him because congress was irresponsible and not disclosing this to the american people when they have under the constitution, what's called the speech or debate clause privilege, to enable disclosures of even classified information when necessary to call government wrongdoing to account. and this was done years ago with regard to the pentagon papers, senator ravel read 47 volumes of classified information into the public information. that helped expose the government lies that brought the vietnam war to a speedier and more just conclusion. it's in

the judges have concluded the mere collection of this meta data that we've been talking about acts like calls and numbers dialed but not the content of conversations does not violate the fourth amendment as long as the government establishes a reasonable agreement. the basic idea is that it is okay to create this huge pond of data but you have to establish a reason stick your pole in the water and start fishing. the court has indicated while individual pieces of data may not appear relevant, the total picture may in fact be relevant. >> to which joe was talking about. joe wilson. might be connected to someone -- terror watch list and you know, guilty by association. >> stephanie: a professor of constitutional velocity was affected by the american justice system. >> you can't deal with all classified information in a public court right? the fisa justices had criticism. rubber stamped but the government speaking out to say thy apply rigger. the fisa court's presiding judge recognize the potential benefit of better informing the public will the court's decision but there are serious obstac

times that some of the providers have objected or challenged some the court order to turn over the meta data and telephone or internet records. >> i can't. those -- there's one court proceeding that has recently been in the news where the court ordered us to review document for declassification and in the process of doing that. in term of other proceedings they are classified. again, there's a literal we're working on. we are trying to prioritize thing we think in the greatest public interest and trying to be get it. >> i'll give myself the last word. are those the highest priority? i think to a certain extent what the highest priority is getting information about -- getting fuller information about the programs about which partial information is already -- >> bob, thank you. >> thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations] ongoing court case against a former goldman sachs bond traitors and alleged role in the 2008 financial meltdown. after that, josh senior correspondent for news weerk a newest ambassador to the u.n. nominee salesman that power and the challenge she faces if confirmed bit

have ended the agency's ability to collect phone records and met at that data unless it -- ph*et at meta data unless it identified to a specific person. >> it is important we keep fighting to protect civil liberties and the constitution. that is what the american people are asking for. >>gretchen: the top secret fights in courte programt week. >>> this pair of killer heels, the replica shoes were confiscated at la guardia new york. the shoes could have been checked into luggage. an agent tweeted the photo to warn other fliers about what not to wear. i can't see. >>steve: a little handgun. let's talk a little bit about the big news yesterday. the president of the united states went to galesburg, illinois, where he outdid himself. he has been known to give long speeches. yesterday that speech there was the next to longest speech he's ever givens president of the united states. >>brian: it was over an hour? >>steve: it was 80-something minutes. for the eighth, ninth, tenth time he talked about how he was pivoting to the economy, nothing new. we heard a lot about stimulus, and things that will ne

today the amendment on a defense department bill would defund the nsa's bulk collection on people's meta datao are not under investigation. if you go out and get a warrant, people don't have a problem with that. but it's just the bulk wholesale spying on everybody in the united states that has a lot of lawmakers on both sides of the aisle worried. so they're going to try to defund that. >> gretchen: some states are taking it in their own control to do just that. so montana and texas now banning spying by local and state authorities. so unless you are suspected of a crime, they apparently now cannot look into your phone data or any kind of electronic device. so it's already happening in states, regardless of what the federal government is going to do. >> brian: this is a republican congressman who pushed this. he put it out there and general alexander, who is running nsa, scrambled to capitol hill and said, guy, you got to rethink this because the mega data storage, we're not going to touch it unless you blow something else, we can find out who you've been calling, they want to explain this fu

it read, i realized later the senator was asking about meta data collection rather than content.nice? >> raise your gloves! throw to first and homer bailey for the second time in his major league career has tossed a new hitter. >> brian: the big story is mike soros celebrates a big reds fan. he learned homer bailey tossed his second no hitter. he dominated the giants, striking out nine. he almost had a perfect game. it's his second no hitter since last september. he's thrown the last two no hitters in major league baseball and he wears that number in honor of nolan ryan who had a few no hitters himself. >> gretchen: what if you found a wallet on the street and the i.d. said steve martin? inside his driver's license and credit cards. the man tracked down the actor in a nearby concert hall where he was performing. he says it must have fallen out while riding his bike. wow. that's lucky. ♪ >> gretchen: time for anchors away. a look at our live after we leave the curvy couch after the three hours that we spend here. >> brian: one of the sad parts is i can't do the after the show show