so we with have is towork together to do that, and is the at least intrusive way was meta data. if anyone has ideas how to do it better let us know. >> what price are people willing to pay for security. what can they do to the nature of society, and as promises a democracy, liberty, and privacy. while the population is less and less about what the state is doing. the state has all the power, they know everything that you do, everything that you think, everything that you fear. they know how to manipulate yaw. question have seen it happen in the past, that it was easier today than it was back then because of technological advancement. so we with have created what edward snowden has call add turnkey to a toll tin state. the fort hooted shot l shoot err now identified. shot and kimed three people before shooting himself, and today we are learning he struggled with mental health issues. another speed bun, it is now releasing palestinian prisoners. and reports of a program to creator social unrest, funded secretly by the united states. >>

so for example, in the meta data program, which the administration has changed now, and they are going to do where the phone companies keep the data and you have to get a warrant to do that. and i think that is is a very acceptable change. but, i think that americans would need to know how main americans data is actually looked at. because the meta data is the time of the call and duration. it isn't content. at the point where they will have to get a warrant to look at this stuff. americans want to know how much of our information is looked at. how many americans are caught up in that? that is something americans need to know so they can decide if this is the right thing to do. i voted against the 210 and 207 options because i didn't think there was enough transparency. in the 702 that is capturing the internet traffic of people, non-americans over sea who have a tie to terrorism and i think that is crucial do that. but the statue says you are not supposed to make american's information. obviously if a known bomb maker is doing traffic with somebody in colorado and that guy is talking

i just want to remind you here about the prism meta data revelation. prism began in 2007. they monitor yahoo, facebook, google, aol, skype and apple. they are monitoring emails, instant messages, videos, photos, items stored in the clouds, voice chats, profiles, internet searches including live real-time google searches and of course the nsa also stored telephone meta data from verizon for up to five years. i want to point out here in san antonio we have the officer of taylored access operation which is a part of the nsa -- they are charged with getting the ungettable. in 2008, employees in the cryptology department were 16 in 2008. in 2015, for those departments, the number of employees was projected to be 393. so, without further ado, i would like to begin this conversation by asking john about the revelations of the nsa domestic surveillance. i want to know if this type of operation is new territory for the u.s. intelligence community. >> there are two ways to look at that, really. one is the specifics of spying on communications as in electronic communication and the o

for the words cleanpowersf in that document and he found that it was actually embedded in there in meta data. you could cut and paste the section where it was in and put it in the word document and it revealed that cleanpowersf was part of the climate protection plan and it was within the plan, a goal -- actually two goals one residential and one for commercial. the residential goal was to have 100% renewable energy on a residential side by 2030 and it was 80% for the commercial side. that information was redacted from the climate protection plan, i assume, while it was being, you know, [speaker not understood] before it what released. the data plan [speaker not understood] we didn't get it issued until 2014. and last i heard, 2014, its was not 2013. okay, any other member of the public who would like to comment? seeing none, we will close public comment. [gavel] >> and do we have any other items before us? >> actually, chair avalos, can i just make a comment -- >> commissioner mar. >> what mr. holtz man said about the role of 350 bay area. i'm one of the members of the bay area air quality

encryption is vital, but it doesn't actually shield meta data. it shields content. anonymity tools, you can shield some parts of melta data, but it's a real threat to press freedom. when people like jane mayer warn that investigative journalism is coming to a stab still in the united states because of what the u.s. government has been doing, they don't mean the journalists in prison, they mean that that's become unnecessary to do that because the climate of fear that is created by source prosecution, by threatening journalists and by surveillance makes it almost impossible for people to communicate with one another. president putin has just invitedded and then an ex-ed -- invaded and annexed crime yea. there's even talk misplaced in my view of a new cold war. how worried should we be that mr. snowden is vulnerable to the russian intelligence services in this tense situation between the two countries. >> at the time he arrived in russia the united states government canceled his passport, making him for travel purposes a stateless person. putin had a press conference a

were part of the president's panel that recently reviewed our intelligence programs including the meta-data collection program this past sunday. he said that the president's plan and the approach were very close to each other. you also said the house plan is adopted that you will be comfortable with that. with that can you elaborate on the conference and any further insights you might have on this topic? >> yes sir. my main concern as i said on the review group was how do we protect this program going forward? how do we make sure we still have his 215 program because i believe it is absolutely vital for the protection of of this country but at the same time it was absolutely clear that we had lost the trust of the american people and needed to find a way to win it back. so the review group's recommendations were designed to do both that. designed to win back the trust while protecting the program and if you remember the review group's recommendations with the government should not hold the data. there should be a court order prior to an inquiry and who held the data would be left up to the

intelligence authorization act passing cyber security legislation and proposing bipartisan to reform meta data increases privacy and civil liberty and preserves important capability. the committee will miss you and your leadership but we still have you until the end of this congress and we know you will continue to roll up your sleeves and continue the work the people. today as we turn our attention to the tragic events in benghazi we know that there were many heroes and many people who suffered great loss that day. we mourn the deaths of ambassador chris steven and glenn and we honor the other men and women who acted courageously that day to save the lives of others. no one left a comrade behind. we owe it to them and to the countless others who risked their lives to defend america to find out what went wrong to make sure it doesn't happen again. which is what we're doing today. the independent accountability review board headed by admiral mike mullin and ambassador thomas pickering completed a comprehensive review of the situation and issued 29 recommendations. the government is implementing

sums for speed access to certain websites and restrictions will also be placed on collecting news a meta data something that n.s.a. has been secretly doing for years now online giant such as google or facebook will be subject to brazilian courts in cases of information stored about locals we spoke to the director of the institute of technology and society of rio de janeiro who hopes other countries will soon follow brazil's example. it started like a consultation through the internet in which we received almost like two thousand comments and reached the congress and it's now been passed as law that it starts right now to being force in brazil and of course there are plans for order of countries to be inspired by this to be off law not only by the process in which it was created which was in a way but as well by its contents since it affirms principles very important search the net neutrality free speech privacy and of course in the lights off the spy programs and the spy revelations it and getting much more attention and much more momentum to be passed down. well one thing that the internet t