the, you can record meta data about anything. some is not going to be interesting or useful for what you want to use it for. the trick is the inference capable of data we know about is extremely powerful. for example, a science paper about four weeks ago showed that with a large body of 30 million financial transactions, it was sufficient to identify a single individual by observing four transactions of theirs and if in by trying to mung it a little bit, they were able to protect individuals in that data set much more. it's just saying that stuff, you need to protect it more robustly than you might think and certainly, the temperature of this room is the type of meta data, doesn't reveal a lot about who's in it specifically. it may sort of map on to how much fun we're having and other kinds of things. >> sir. >> mike bryce from the brennan center. i'll take you up on your offer >> please frame your comment in the form of a question. >> i will. i will couch my comment in the form of a question. so here it goes. on the meta data ver

and so in those situations the meta data has not been helpful. i think it's important to understand that in context, like this is not something that just happens right away. there's a huge amount of investigative resources and other techniques that are used before the wiretap context. before we get an order. >> we have time for about one more question. does anyone else have a question in the audience? yes? >> just hearing from you in that current context about all the use methods we use prior to actually asking for content, i'm curious if the doj or fbi will ever provide numbers on how many times this actually happens in investigations just because it feels like it's such an extreme situation that it's hard to imagine it occurs more than just a few times. will that data become available to the public? >> amy address that had a little bit which is that we do need to do better. we need to get better data on that. part of it is just one of the hard issues is investigators when they hit a wall, they don't stop. they do try to do other things. and so

so in those situations, the meta data for whatever reason has not been helpful. so i think it's important to understand that in context. this is not something that happens right away. there's a huge amount of investigative resources and other techniques that are used before, in the wire tap context we go and get a wiretap order. >> we have time for about one more question. does anyone else, a question in the audience? yes. >> just hearing from you in that current context about all the methods that we use prior to actually asking for content, i'm curious if the d.o.j. or fbi will provide numbers on how many times this actually happens in investigations, just because it seems like it's such an extreme situation, that it's hard to imagine that it occurs more than just a few times. will that data become available to the public? >> amy addressed that a little bit, which is that we do need to do better. we need to get better data on that. part of it is just, one of the hard issues is that investigators, when they hit a wall, they don't stop. they try to do other things

these were not the actual e-mails that had the meta data.ese were not the e-mails as you would see them on a server if they hadn't been -- do you see what i'm saying? >> right, but i'm not sure what point you're making. they're pdfs. >> more information and a judge said cheryl mills shouldn't delete e-mails. >> that's a separate case. i'm not sure why you're asking about cheryl mills. >> if you follow certain standards of preservation. >> no, brianna, she has followed every request. the state department asked for e-mails in paper form, she provided them. they were asked on a thumb drive, she provided them. she also provided the server. i don't know what wiped means. the e-mails were deleted off the server, that's true, but it's quite possible, i don't know that any steps were taken to remove any meta data. so to the extent that there is a further inquiry with respect to the server, they won't find anything other than what we've represented is all the work-related e-mails were turned over and, in fact, hillary clinton herself has signed a dec

so in those situations, the meta data for whatever reason has not been helpful.so i think it's important to understand that in context. this is not something that happens right away. there's a huge amount of investigative resources and other techniques that are used before, in the wire tap context we go and get a wiretap order. >> we have time for about one more question. does anyone else, a question in the audience? yes. >> just hearing from you in that current context about all the methods that we use prior to actually asking for content, i'm curious if the d.o.j. or fbi will provide numbers on how many times this actually happens in investigations, just because it seems like it's such an extreme situation, that it's hard to imagine that it occurs more than just a few times. will that data become available to the public? >> amy addressed that a little bit, which is that we do need to do better. we need to get better data on that. part of it is just, one of the hard issues is that investigators, when they hit a wall, they don't stop. they try to do other things.

the collection of this phone meta-data which is who you call comeau when you call, and how long you talkch can reveal a lot of information. should the government have that information the government can get it, go to aa judge and say that i believe that an is up to something. there is due process in place. john: a lot of people want to sue the government. the smiths have been so far. >> my name is peter smith. ten years ago there was a dragnet collection of call records which revealed detailed information about anna. how do we know whether those records were ever seized or searched? john: that was the appeals court judge asking you questions in your 2nd appearance and you await the decision. >> that is exactly right. we know that they are collecting the data. a subscriber on verizon wireless. >> i did because it is easy for me to talk to my client. john: you had a condition. >> i did. when the edward snowden case came to light i mentioned to my husband, i did not think that it was right that the government was able to collect my telephone data when i had not done anything wrong. i mentio

some are physical surveillance, using an informant, records are considered meta data and someone has to write up. and those things sometimes run hundreds of pages. hugs afidavits. it these be reviewed by the supervisor. operations oeo in the criminal division that is then signed off by a high level criminal level official. at that point it goes to a federal judge who does his own so it isn't the first thing that we do. when we have that order, we have already had enormous amount of internal review. we have an internal judge and only then do we go to the company and say can we have the content of communications. i think it's important to understand that in context. this is not something that just happens right away. there's a huge amount of resources. >> we have time for one more question. >> just hearing from you about all of the methods that we use prior to asking for content, i'm curious if the doj or fbi will provide numbers of how many times this actually happens. it feels like it's such an extreme situation. will that data be available to the public? >> we do need to do better a

that makes it difficult to word search, or to search them at all, but also eliminates all of the meta dataiginally and that is essentially destroying part of the records. we don't know what else is there or if there is or items that should have been turned over. >> of what legal significance, if any, is that these e-mails were not at the time staffed cla -- stamped classified. >> it's of no significance. the determining factor is the gla classified nature of sensitivity. >> you said it is a misdemeanor punishable by a year in prison. however, the individual that oversaw that prosecution responded to you. that is ann thompkins. she said i oversaw the prosecution of general petraeus, and i can say this comparison has no merit. will you respond to that? >> sure, the key phrase there is based on the known facts. we don't know at this point what wicket knew about the classified name of that material. on the other hand, the more the material comes out, the more it becomes obvious that she could believe it was classifieclassif. there was one communication with tony blair about a conversation he h

the fact she supports tracking and the nsa collecting meta data is more important to me than her gender. i assume andy wrote that one. dagin, what's up? are these women a traitor to their sex? we need a woman president because of a woman something. >> what's up with the anonymous thing? you need to grow some balls and step up if you are going to criticize hillary, like come out and do it by name and do it in a public forum like shout from one of the skyscrapers that andy was talking about. >> that's right. >> and of course you could also vote for trump because he -- women are tremendous. he cherishes women. he will be a champion of women as he said. >> you see, that's good he repeats that over and over. you remember that phrase, don't you? >> tremendous. i held back on my trump impression. >> the thing is we criticize hillary in the open here, but don't you need someplace where women can go and anonymously -- >> it is called pinterest. >> this is like pinterest. >> you can learn to like quilts and hate on hillary at the same time. why can't the two go hand in hand? >> that's true. >> yo

under the new law, the nsa will no longer collect phone meta data collectly from phone companies and conduct its own tailored queries of the data. instead the government has to obtain a court order in order to ask telecommunication providers to query their records and produce the response. it is important for the public as well as for us to know whether this transition will be complete at the end of the 180 day period. and whether you assess the system is in place at that time, if you assess it will meet your operational needs. i would like to know whether this system, once fully unplain place, will achieve the goal of providing the nsa with responsive information with a broader set of records than it had before the usa freedom act passed or whether it is a relatively small number of phone records available to you before the change. finally, you briefed the committee recently on the reorganization you are putting into place in the nsa. it would be appropriate at this hearing for you to describe that reorganization to the extend you can, why it is needed and what changes are being mad

that makes it difficult to word search, or to search them at all, but also eliminates all of the meta dataiginally. so that essentially is destroying part of the record. we don't know what else is there or if there is or items that should have been turned over. >> of what legal significance, if any, is that these e-mails were not at the time staffed -- stamped classified. >> it's of no significance. what the law protects is the information, not stuff that's either stamped or not stamped. that's not the determining factor. the determining factor is the obvious classified nature or sensitivity of the information that's in the document. >> i want to put up on the screen something you wrote for the wall street journal. you said this, it's a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment by not more than a year to keep documents or materials containing classified information at an unauthorized location. the issue doesn't turn on whether the document or materials bear a classified marking. you just repeated that here. then you say, this is the statute under which david petraeus former army general was p

we'll have a monetization model that will have to transform, advertising will demand the kind of meta data specific that internet functionality plays. the cable industry being the leading provider of high-speed internet in the country is going to play a critical role in the way that the internet evolves. and as it serves as a platform for a lot of that expansion to take place. not to mention i think it will continue to be a hall for content that is most highly optimized on that kind of proprietary platform. either because of its expense in being produced or because its critical needs for proprietary, heavily quality managed experiences that the internet sometimes has trouble delivering. >> all right and gary, how about you? >> i'm sitting here thinking i should have negotiated that i don't follow michael powell. but first of all thanks to you, dick for what you've done for hd tv and extreme example of leadership. that's made a difference for our country and leadership in the world and obviously now most americans i think about 85% of american nous have an hd tv set and they really like the

you need the meta data. if you can get names and addresses, you can get patterns. you get patternable sis and you weed your universe down from, you know, a trillion people you're looking at to 20,000. and then go look at the data. you might ask, why aren't they doing that, not building all these facilitys? and the answer is, because a lot of this is outsourced. and there is a lot of money being spent, okay. don't ever believe the people who are the suppliers are finding the most efficient way to do something. they're finding the most profitable way of doing something. when your budget is secret and when all the conversations are secret, and when you play the orwellian game that we have a new threat, like they did in 1984, okay, you know, you kill osama bin laden, you replace him with another guy, and replace him with isis and then these guys, we're in a perpetual state of war on terrorism. i think the scariest part of that now is how we're inculcating the american public to believe that they brought this fight to, quote, to the lone wolves so therefore we better lo

you mentioned that only 30 nsa employees had access to the meta data authorized to query the database. am i correct that those 30 employees were well vetted, trained, and held responsible if there were misuse of the information? >> yes, ma'am. >> had there every been any misuse of the information? >> no ma', ma'am. for those 30 individuals we monitor every key stroke they use to access the data. we don't do that for the tens of thousands of other employees. we realize the sensitivity of the data. >> i think that is a great point. to me it is ironic the usa freedom act was passed under the guide of increasing privacy protections for the american people when there are 1400 telecom companies, 160 wireless carriers. not that you are going to have to deal with all of those, but isn't it likely that far more than 30 people will now be involved in this process? >> yes, i would expect that to be the case. >> and given that those compani companies market and sell a lot of this information aren't the privacy implications greater under the system than under the careful system you describe with o

on section 215, but also on other fisa authorities that have been used to collect communications, meta data in bulk. so we've been encouraged and supportive of the usa freedom act, which was introduced, i think in 2013 and gone through several different iterations. but would address other authorities under which communications and metadata has been collected in bulk or could be collected in bulk. we're very much looking forward to that debate, which is going to happen soon and hopeful to come to the right result as far as that goes. finally, let me just address one topic which is not so futuristic. but hasn't come up on the radar screens yet of policymakers and how we are going to deal with government access request, vis-a-vis the internet of things. there are a lot of fundamental questions around the types of rules that ought to apply. and it isn't entirely clear as a threshold matter whether the electronics communications privacy act does apply. i would submit that for remote computing services like google in many respects, it will. that the type of information that is collected from inte

legislature i think about a year ago that basically put a warrant requirement for everything, like meta data. everything has a warrant in the state of utah. you might be thinking it's the state of utah and only buying state law enforcement, but t, y know, when we write amicus briefs we write to the statutes and as that gets bigger and bigger and bigger of states that have legislated in this area, that is an indicator of where the public feels about these issues and so i think that's another avenue especially if you're in a state or you're someone who knows your local representative or if the state nacdl affiliate has a relationship with a member of the state legislature, that is another opportunity where there is a lot of room to work. i mentioned utah, but it's the same experience in oregon, for example, and it's working with the aclu of oregon and the legislature to get comprehensive legislation that has remedies and warrant requirement for location of cell phones has great restrictions on license plate reader data, and that is also another middle ground approach. >> i hate to wrap this di

night, not just the surveillance program after 9/11 but the section 215 collection of telephony meta data. executive order 12333, we've seen the collection of e-mail metadata, collection of internet metadata and underlying these arguments is the principal that it's necessary to collect all the information and then to analyze it. this gives us the possibility of heading off threats to the united states. why is this problem mat snick it's problematic at the point where there's convergence between national security and criminal law. this is not a new question in many ways in this country. lord cook discussed this in detail in his institutes when he was worried about the crown in the 17th century collecting a lot of information, looking for potential evidence of criminal activity and using it as a way to go after potential enemies of the crown. later hawkins wrote about this, we saw this in "hale" and "blackstone" and james otis in his famous oration in paxton's case railed against the con sthaept the government should be allowed to collect this information on victims and then look for eviden

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