a meta data, like an ip address or other types of electronic data information is incredibly relevantand important as far as identifying a location, geographic location and other types of information that maybe pertinent to connecting the individual who took that photograph with the actual photograph and the location of that individual. without that information, it is often very difficult for ncmec, certainly for law enforcement, to start to connect that child to that photo. >> do you see meta data being removed from an advertisement for motor board, for a car or anything else on back page? do they take the meta data off those ads? >> we don't see those ad photos in the same way, so that would be a difficult question for me to answer. >> in response to the is that thor's question, i'd just add, meta data is important. >> i think we understand how important it is. would there be any legit malt purpose for removing metadata from the advertisement? commercial purpose? >> it is storage intensive, so there is an investment that might be required of servers. >> and storage is so expensive t

. >> dragnet surveillance of meta data and everything else will continue. only those in the u.s.ave tom protection from the constitution, as far as washington is concerned. everyone else is fair name. as edward snowden's leaks showed. they are often cop operating with the u.s. edward snowden revealed more than telephone mete data collection. for example, the ability to search what a user does on the internet. >> what is going to shut down is a fraction of what the n.s.a. does. otherwise people will still expand mass surveillance around the world. since attacks in paris. they are talking of expanding civilians. >> edward snowden has been used as a scapegoat. even though there's no evidence that the attackers used the internet to exploit safeguards or planning attacks. still, action was taken, and there has been some reform. given the secrecy of the u.s.a., it may take another whistleblower for us to see what has changed >>> a suspect behind the shooting of a family planning clinic in colorado is due to appear in court. 57-year-old robert deer is being held without bail. a police o

the so-called meta data.e was sparked two years ago by edward snowden's revelations of the mass collection system. starting sunday, the federal government is now banned from collecting your phone data, including numbers, calls made and call duration. if agencies want to check on a specific number a request for an order from a federal court must be made except in emergencies. michael allen was staff director of the house intelligence committee, managing director at beacon global strategies. he joins me now. great to see you again. thank you very much. so what difference does it really make? this was something initially resisted by the intelligence community but then the president weighed in and everyone saluted and got in line. will it make a difference in an emergency that they not have those records readily available? >> i think so. i think the big point, the big take-away is that it makes us less flexible and less agile. we need speed, especially after something like paris, to be able to examine suspect pho

meta data programs, whether you called a priest, a doctor, and at the end of the day, two executive branch reports concluded that they did not thwart a single terrorist attack. and what that underscores, these mass surveillance programs, as a lot of security experts said, they make the haystack bigger, and it makes it much more difficult to target the real threat. >> countyless rasping up of security efforts by the federal government in the years after the september 11th attacks, but can we even figure out what worked? we have not been targeted in the united states in the same way. you just heard nima suggest that it wasn't the patriot act that did it. >> that's right. we have a huge number of programs that we have been running after 9/11, and we have increased cooperation between the fbi and the cia, and that's part of the problem on 9/11, the threats inside of the united states wasn't making its way to the right places. we overclassified things, and kept things in silos, and cooperation has tremendously improved since 9/11, and the american people themselves are much more sensitive of wh

. >> authorities can fight to access what is called meta data but that would only show when a phone or computer was used. >>> 9/11 memorial has become a gavterring place for those who want to share sool solidarity with france. patricia riley says sh knows firsthand what the people of paris are going through. she lost her sister on 9/11. >> i just knew how the people were feeling at that moment, the heart aches for them. >> reporter: the french consul in new york said{ long live the american and french friendship. go to nbc new york.com for the coverage on the terror in paris. you will find the latest on the investigation, new video and the personal stories shared by survivors of the attacks. >>> coming up, as we continue on news 4 new york, questions about a freak accident thmpblts is what is left of tree that came top ing down on a delivery worker. was it safe for them to pass? we will have that story. >>> police need you to take a close look at this video of a vicious attack with a bat. >>> how this horse is fulfilling >>> police are looking for three men in the fordham section of th

says it is scaling back its bulk collection of so- called "meta-data" that details what numbers you are calling and when. the once-secret phone surveillance program began after the september 11th attacks unde" the patriot act," but congress has changed the law, after revelations by former n.s.a. contractor edward snowden and protests by telecom companies. the n.s.a. must now obtain a court order to monitor call records of any individual or group, and report publicly how many such orders are granted. that's all for this edition of pbs newshour weekend. thanks for watching. i'm hari sreenivasan. have a good night. captioning sponsored by wnet captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> pbs newshour weekend is made possible by: lewis b. and louise hirschfeld cullman. bernard and irene schwartz. judy and josh weston. the cheryl and philip milstein family. the citi foundation. supporting innovation and enabling urban progress. sue and edgar wachenheim, iii. corporate funding is provided by mutual of america-- designing customized individual and group retirement products. that'

it got rid of the meta-data collection program. as they areearful now. the pendulum does swing.thing else, i response to these terrorists, we need to call matt fear and continue to deal with this and do it in an intelligent way. lay out some ways you think policy should change? congressman: i would say we've got a lot of work we need to do with the government level. and theaw from the hack loss of that data within the government. companies like sony, the list is long and we can make our networks more secure. we are only five or six years into concentrating on this. individually, there's a lot we can do. i know people who open attachments from e-mail addresses they don't recognize. there is a lot we can achieve while the have that debate. propose a convention. can you explain what that is and what progress you have seen? congressman: the idea is in the actual kinetic realm, we have rules of war. there are the geneva conventions. people understand what an act of war is. people know with their obligations are two prisoners. even in the context of a war. in the cyber war realm, we d

and the rest of it and once the event curves, it's easy to put pieces together and reconstruct the meta data get these people. once they saw the nature of the attacks on friday, the suicide bomb they had to be careful and use extreme force. doing a take down of a house when people are inside with suicide vests, you just have to use absolute total force to do this and in this -- by the way, this is why they are blowing explosives in place because these explosives are so unstable tatp and these raids are going to be a mess. >> julian, the idea that nic robertson mentioned there are some who believe that this alleged planner went to prayers this morning. the idea that he could go out publicly, if in fact it's true he went to public prayers and not have other people report him in does point to the distrust between many in the muslim neighborhoods here in paris and law enforce themecemenenforceme >> the distrust we're speaking about is not always the case. there is some radicalized in france but these reports saying that abaaoud may have not been to the mosque. meaning there is a thin line betwee

when we cut back on the nsa's meta data collection program and has been destroying the morale of our intelligence officers. we need to rebuild the program and the morale of our intelligence. we need to support law enforcement which this administration hasn't been doing and the fbi director himself said there's a chillway through law enforcement. we need to do all of those things first and foremost to protect the homeland. the number one job of the president of the united states is protect the safety and security of the american people. it's not an option. it's a right. that's what we're focussed on. >> you said yesterday in new hampshire this campaign changed eight days ago. but trump and ben carson still in the lead in a national poll. take look at this new poll. donald trump from way out in front at 32%. ben carson 22%. how has this campaign changed? why do you think it's your time as opposed to the frontrunner donald trump? >> well, listen, what i'm saying, jake, i can feel on the ground in new hampshire the questions in town hall meetings. i did two yesterday are different. they'

if you say grabbing meta data is wrong, you ignore the consequences when the intel goes dark.hat you're left with is an open gate and no way to track the incoming. it's nuts so if we can't protect everyone, then it's up to us to protect ourselves. one solution? >> cut, cut, cut. >> guns, guns, guns. one guy had it right, since you can't pardon every soft target, we must let people carry the means to defend himself. sorry, president obama that wasn't ted nugent who said that, that's the interpol secretary-general after the kenyan massacre. he asked if that was texas, would those guys have been able to spent hours, days shooting people randomly? is an armed citizenry more necessary now that it was in the past with an evolving threat of terrorism? of course, but i have another idea. we must harden more than targets, but also our memories. on occasion we reenact historic events, at christmas it's the nativity scene. i might have been a sheep. on thanksgiving, kids reenact pilgrims and indians giving thanks. we need to reenact heroism to teach the young value. flight 93 day, where

the appeal comes a day after a judge ordered the nsa to stott collecting meta data from a landline belongingblf and his law firm. the law expires at the end of this month. >>> another huge cyberattack has resulted in the theft of personal information of more than 100 million customers of u.s. financial institutions. an indictment unsealed names two men held in israel and a u.s. citizen believed to be living in moscow. the indictment says they stole records of 83 million customers of jp morgan chase, along with data from millions more clients of other banks. breaking news tonight from new york state, the attorney general there is ordering daily fantasy sports sites draft kings and fan duel to stop taking bets in new york. we're following this story. we should note the parent company of fox news is an investor in draft kings. >>> stocks were mixed today. the dow gained 28, the s&p 500 was up three. ost 12. >>> up next, as university of missouri students take down the school administration essentially, some of the administration try to take down the media. >>> and later, did russia cheat in the

to make sure that the tools that law enforcement have are as robust as they possibly can be and meta data is a contributor. >> last issue, there are several investigations into allegations that officers at the united states senate command, the militariation that oversees the middle east were amtorying -- were altering to down play the threat from isis. you have talked to whistleblowers and there are several investigations going on in your committee and the pentagon inspector general. how substantial is the evidence that intelligence was doctored? >> it is very concerning. the whistleblower i have talked to was very compelling. clearly some of information that has come out in the last seven days supported what that wonderful blower claimed. when we have intelligence that may have been altered in some way to fit a narrative that could be the narrative set by the white house is concerning to me. to think it could come from one of our combatant commands, that is extreme troubling because that changes the risk our combat forces could perceive they will be faced with in that combat theater. i w

because we've now said it's wrong to collect meta data. now what do we have left if we can't look for the haystack. we start calling all the needles out. >> let's go -- >> muslim-americans have the same bill of rights that all americans do. >> so where are you on the nsa? should they be able to data-mine all americans? >> i think we should do anything and everything to protect our freedoms. >> you think it's okay to data-mine all americans? >> he's talking about rounding up all muslim americans. i think this is very convoluted. i'm looking forward to what kimberly has to say tonight. >> you no he what's disturbing to me about this, i think jeb bush when he talked about manipulating people's fears at a time of anxiety is right on target. you see this helping donald trump. he is up in the polls. as a as a result of all this he's doing very well in the afternoon math of the attack in paris. up in iowa, up in new hampshire, still leading nationally. he's playing on fear. >> key can't let islam phobia take over everyone. i personally know many

protect ourselves at home we are not allowing, organizations like the nsa, to continue to look at meta data people in u.s. connected with guys to watch them preventative these things we don't want to be going after the fact, figureing out who made twkz we want to get out in front of it to be able to do that we have to be able to look at people's information who they are talking to overseas. maria: yeah, you put your finger on really the big question, and debate happening across america right now, certainly, and that is need for privacy, and desire for privacy, in the face of also, a much bigger need, for national security, jeb babbin where are you on that what do you think needs to be done in order to ensure we're not seeing encryption of messages so government with an better track terrorism. on the phone: a whole bunch of things we need to do quite fravlly metadata program needs to be toured recent court decision said completely unconstitutional all need to be dealt with intelligence community if visa we need to capture kill them, if in united states we need to capture them put them in jai

a meta data, like an ip address or other types of electronic data information is incredibly relevantd important as far as identifying a location, geographic location and other types of information that maybe the person end in the to connecting the individual who took that photograph with the actual photograph and the location of that individual. without that information, it is often very difficult for nick mick, certainly for law enforcement, to start to connect that child to that photo. >> do you see meta data being removed from an advertisement for motor board, for a car or anything else on back page? do they take the meta data off those ads? >> we don't see those ad photos in the same way, so that would be a difficult question for me to answer. >> it kk important for prosecutions. >> i think we understand how important it is. would there be any legit malt purpose for removing melt ta data from the advertisement? commercial purpose? >> it is storage intensive, so there is an investment that might be required of servers. >> and storage is so expensive these days, right? >> getting c

we're applying the cp and i frame work to internet providers, my mind goes to okay, all the traffic, meta dataociated with my web browsing history, my ip address, is that sort of the level of granularity we're talking about here? >> for me, i didn't have a problem with it. we talk about this a lot. we've got quite a few interactions and briefings, you know, when i read, though not a lawyer. you know, 222a, it talked about, and to me, it affirmed our duty to protect retired, proprietary information. what's more proprietary than your social security munumber? i'm sorry. you have individuals who entrusted a company. filled out their applications. had their ssns on there. with the click of a mouse i would have had that. and i believe that the fcc had a duty, was aware of it, and had a duty to act. i also believe that where there is either shared or gray area by way of authorities, by way of authority with our sister agencies, we have and will continue to work collaboratively to ensure that nothing falls beneath the cracks, but i think we had a -- we, and i mean this in a collective family we -- ha

a few months ago by the snowden leaks that were produced on the way nsa does business including meta datad of themselves for cutting back on what nsa was doing. they may decide before too long that they were not quite so smart. >> former cia director james woolsey, thank you. >> thank you. >>> the eiffel tower is lit up tonight. however, the lights are on but tourists are not allowed to come for a visit. this is an update of earlier today and they're saying that they will remain fluid about whether they open for staff and tourists day by day, hour by hour. we are back with more after this. they come into this iworld ugly and messy. ideas are frightening because they threaten what is known. they are the natural born emy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful. theand to help you accelerate,. we've created a new company... one totally focused on what's next for your business. the true partnership where people,technology and ideas push everyone forward. accerating innovation. accelerating transformation. a

we're applying the cp and i frame work to internet providers, my mind goes to okay, all the traffic, meta datassociated with my web browsing history, my ip address, is that sort of the level of granularity we're talking about here? >> for me, i didn't have a problem with it. we talk about this a lot. we've got quite a few interactions and briefings, you know, when i read, though not a lawyer. you know, 222a, it talked about, and to me, it affirmed our duty to protect retired, proprietary information. what's more proprietary than your social security number? i'm sorry. you have individuals who entrusted a company. filled out their applications. had their ssns on there. with the click of a mouse i would have had that. and i believe that the fcc had a duty, was aware of it, and had a duty to act. i also believe that where there is either shared or gray area by way of authorities, by way of authority with our sister agencies, we have and will continue to work collaboratively to ensure that nothing falls beneath the cracks, but i think we had a -- we, and i mean this in a collective family we -- ha

and for meta data we can do that automatically. what i would encourage is the development of a set of standards -- think of these as protocols, wherev6am both house congress could agree that these types of information hold no personally identifiable information and is necessary for the protection of the nation and could go directly to all the parties. so i'm not saying cut dhs out. i'm saying ensure that dod gets it in real time. it would be analogous to a radar and instead of getting the radar feed on where the missile is, that goes to dhs and then they tell you where the missile is. >> you said it's important to partner with industry. i get the impression that industry is not particularly interested in partnering with us. >> i think there's two parts to that. it's been an exciting year and a half out. what i found is industry is very much into cyber security. they're very concerned about what they share with the government because of liability but at the end of the day they recognize that the government is the only one that could

forth, not the substance of communications but one of the things that's blocking us from getting the meta data is so-called reforms that that have taken place and are making it harder to keep track of overall groups. the dcia said yesterday we have to change some of the things we backed off from before and start getting serious about the groups that we're at least keeping track of their cell phone numbers on. >> we have a couple of gop candidates that are answering questions about that. unfortunate timing for them. they want to reign in a lot of the surveillance. the one thing i heard yesterday that really disturbed me was left everyone in the stadium for a reason and the soft targets you harden them up and you put metal detectors so people can't get in the stadium so terrorists are smart enough to phone in a bomb threat inside of the stadium and set it off outside of the stadium. that's why they didn't have everyone flooding outside of the stadium and didn't want people to get to the stadium yet to exit the stadium. you can't control the person in paris could have, who knows what would have h

i think the major tool we use in terms of identifying potential terrorists is what we call meta data,s with who. who pays for whose airline flights. that's information we still get. sometimes europeans resist that. this will be a wake up call for the europeans to institute and elaborate on this process within their own borders. >> okay. michael, we really appreciate your time this morning helping us sort through all this. thank you. >> we want to thank bob hormats for joining us for the hour. >> thank you. i can make one quick point or two. safe-haven is critically important. we should have done that a couple of years ago. we need to do it now. we need to work with the russians and iranians. another risk is this could weaken the leader of europe today and that's mrs. merkel, chancellor merkel because she's been a big supporter of allowing people in. now she will be criticized for doing it. it will weaken her position. bad for us and bad for europe. >> coming up a reaction to the terror attacks in paris from the gop presidential candidate and front-runner, donald trump. he'll join us a

what do we need to understand, about the cyberthreat and also this meta data program apparently law enforcementdo constituency thsurvei like to do technology companies encrypt information. >> we have seen seen a size of terror inventory but going to happen they put out 90,000 tweets or retweets a day many have recruiting videos very well done, many of those show the world trade center attacks so very proud of that, and message is that your religion is under attack, you have to respond, you have to do what you can, to protect your religion, and you have a communications director of isis saying kill, kill, kill, kill wherever you can so this message is -- pervasive it falls on some ears that are receptive so we have to assume, that you know, young people mostly are going to react at this going to respond, that -- individuals, out there, who want to kill, their fellow americans that is the operating assumption that we have to go on. >> what is your sense of how isis has become as powerful as it has? i mean some people are calling, this terrorist group the most well funded, most successful from eco

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the meta data program ought to consider to be kept as is. it dies in ten days. rather than weaken our position -- the president needs to explain how civil liberties are protected and why it's important that these programs keep us safe. he hasn't done that. he hasn't obliterated the programs of course and he gets some credit for maintaining some of the provisions of the patriot act that were started under my brother. but he doesn't defend them either so there's a lot of mistrust about washington and people believe what they -- they hear things and they believe it. we need a president that's residence l resolute and acts on it. he should go to the nsa and talk to the patriots keeping us safe. there's a lot of work done that doesn't get a lot of credit. >> in an election year, it's tough because this is a time where sometimes the actions that may be more extreme, people are taking resinate with the american people and in the past maybe there is internment under fdr or maybe it's tough for an immigration debate. it's tough to have it right now. >> but look you're ta

you have several points here, court rulings on meta collection data.ng to have that here possibly in classified briefings and more so in congress. what we are hearing now in congress about refugees is the tip of the iceberg and you have been toward in pointing out the fact face here. we had a lot of briefings from the state department and white house on how many interviews by homeland on fbi. they go into the refugee camps and it takes a minimum of 18 months and 24 months. that said, governors and political figures and maggie running for senate now. democratic governor is clearly shifting direction. >> we have senator cons here saying that we have to get the process figured out first. >> president hollande is speaking. let's listen in. >> mr. vice president. mayor of paris. the city at your side. through you. it's france that is gathered here. together in the tragedy united with the same determination to face the circumstances. at the time i'm speaking right here, a question of very penlist nature their heavy has just ended. neutralizing last night a n

meta-information going on. you can tell by where activities happening or perhaps i what time of day is happening that something looks bad or suspicious. i think this idea of not looking ,n the dataill looking around might be in the various in some way. emily: one of the legal framework? laws. passed sweeping do they not work? >> i do not know about the investigation to be able to say if they do or do not work. we have no evidence to show that mass surveillance is any more effective for targeted surveillance. metadata information is a key tool. that can be highly revealing of people's private lives. we can support something that is targeted as possible. we are looking at the u.k. preparing to fast-track new surveillance laws. in light of what is going on right now, what are the chances they do not pass? i do not want to speculate on the chances they will pass. i think the government has been climbing down a little bit from fast tracking a bill. it gives us many reasons to be concerned. and gives many of these worse abuses and enshrines them into law, including a very intrusive programs. can go and turn on your webcam or the microphone on your phone or on your laptop without adequ