called and the date and time, that is considered meta data and the supreme court has said that thereis no reasonable expectation of privacy and it's not protected by the fourth amendment, it's not a constitutional issue. the question is whether or not in meta data you're violating a statute which outlines how certain electronic communications can be captured, can be collected by the government and that was really the source of the dispute between the white house and the department of justice, i might mention, this is a very important point that the dispute centered over the activity which attorney general had approved for two and a half years and so we were doing fine and then in march of 2004 he gets ill and goes to the hospital. the program is reauthorized by the president every 45 days or so and in connection with that reauthorization is a signature by the attorney general saying that the program is lawful, there's no legal impediments to moving forward with the program and so the program is about to expire, we are coming to this 45-day window and general becomes sick and goes to

we kill people based on meta-data. why is metadata so important? it offers that inconsistency for more accurate than predictive analyses of who we are, what we've done and what we are likely to do. during one phone call to a credit customer service line with the content may suggest a problem in the recent billing cycle. repeated calls in single cause at the city cannot add at stanford university found that metadata is unambiguously sensitive even alike did on 500 people for a few months. scientists are able to encourage the commission based on meta-data. they spoke at length with cardiologist at a major medical center talked for a short time at the laboratories received calls from a pharmacy for a medical device used to monitor cardiac arrhythmia. another individual called a firearm source for the semi automatic rifle before customer service for a manufacturer that produces a line. one person telephoned and you have to wonder. they did know they were in the study. they went to a home improvement store. a hydroponic sealer to head shop. i'm from cal

the collection of this phone meta-data which is who you call comeau when you call, and how long you talk can reveal a lot of information. should the government have that information the government can get it, go to aa judge and say that i believe that an is up to something. there is due process in place. john: a lot of people want to sue the government. the smiths have been so far. >> my name is peter smith. ten years ago there was a dragnet collection of call records which revealed detailed information about anna. how do we know whether those records were ever seized or searched? john: that was the appeals court judge asking you questions in your 2nd appearance and you await the decision. >> that is exactly right. we know that they are collecting the data. a subscriber on verizon wireless. >> i did because it is easy for me to talk to my client. john: you had a condition. >> i did. when the edward snowden case came to light i mentioned to my husband, i did not think that it was right that the government was able to collect my telephone data when i had not done anything wrong. i mentione

the collection of this phone meta-data which is who you call comeau when you call, and how long you talkan reveal a lot of information. should the government have that information the government can get it, go to aa judge and say that i believe that an is up to something. there is due process in place. john: a lot of people want to sue the government. the smiths have been so far. >> my name is peter smith. ten years ago there was a dragnet collection of call records which revealed detailed information about anna. how do we know whether those records were ever seized or searched? john: that was the appeals court judge asking you questions in your 2nd appearance and you await the decision. >> that is exactly right. we know that they are collecting the data. a subscriber on verizon wireless. >> i did because it is easy for me to talk to my client. john: you had a condition. >> i did. when the edward snowden case came to light i mentioned to my husband, i did not think that it was right that the government was able to collect my telephone data when i had not done anything wrong. i mentioned

i think the key thing we have to do is use meta- data and huge amounts of data which are publicly available on large amounts of data. and what judgments you are gonna make. it is a sense of the profiling. profiling based on behavior. that can be in a huge help. it has some similarities. we have a lot more data available now. there is intense behavior of profiling. two days before the bomber a family member's cell cell phone video camera was used to film him testing bombs in his backyard in his new jersey residents. >> that's often the case. you want something on your side who you can trust. it's one reason that it can work. various companies are doing this in a very sophisticated way. hillary clinton's aid studied the personality. my next guest has some insight. he joins us next. you push and pull and struggle and fight and love to run your business. and when you need legal help with that business, we're here for you. we're legalzoom. and over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners navigate every day challenges. so visit us today for the legal help you need to start and

this is an incredible amount of meta data they seek access to. it's not clear to me the russian government that has capacity and capability to use it and analyze it in the way it seekses. i think we have to ask ourselves, is this about giving the population a sense they are constantly being surveilled? is this more about social control than it is about access to specific information? i my miriam you want to jump in here. >> yeah, if i could jump in for a moment. another piece is to look at the behavior of large, western companies in this sphere. we saw chinese companies buckle. it's very important. you can see a man taking a courageous stand, a russian at the mercy of the state. it's the jury's out how western companies will behave. facebook, facebook moderation practices where accounts of different critics, regime critics have been shut down arbitrarily, clearly trolls or government agents complain in a very targeted way against famous commentators, opposition figures and they accounts get taken down. there's been a whole petition with a couple

. >> nsa spying on 110 or collecting meta- data on all of us where they i would love to know how thisas on the radar screen to begin with and if it's just the cameras that's one thing if it's meta- data that i would like to see government more transparent i would like to see all of us understanding better what the government is doing and understand better what the outlook is and how we might improve on this. as a citizen as president of united states i could really bring this about in a really big way. governor, great scene you can think you. >> always great to see you. my hearts are out to everybody in new york and dealing with this right now. will put. governor think you. when we look at what was actually used in the weapon of choice here was pretty crude was very effective. maybe that's all you need to scare the you know what a people. more after this. it's a very specific moment, the launch window. we have to be very precise. if we're not ready when the planets are perfectly aligned, that's it. we need really tight temperature controls. engineering, aerodynamics- a split second to

and often he will have patriots that may be out there and the police are still going to their meta datannections. they are going to want to ask him who else is involved. that's what they want to know right now. what is the imminent threat. there may be none, but police don't know that yet. >> first thing to do is make sure there isn't anyone else out there right now who could be a threat to the area. i want to bring in our terror analyst here, the profile of someone like this connected to three domestic bomb sites with ten or so crude or in some cases more sophisticated explosive devices, what kind of person, paul, is this? and how does this kind of person fit in with what the international terror groups like isis are trying to accomplish? >> we don't have many answers yet about what kind of person this is. indeed, his motivation in trying to carry out the these attacks or how he would be connected back to international terrorist groups if there's a connection, if fact that he was afghan born came, came to the united states, it is an interesting data point. that, if there is some kind o

they can go widely and look at the records, the contact, the data, what sometimes is called meta data, all those extra things that appear on anyone's phone. the law doesn't care much about what consenting adults say to each other. it cares a great deal about what adults may say to minors. >> would an investigation also include trying to contact this individual? >> that's possible. we don't know this morning how the feds are approaching this and how wide a net they will but under federal law, if there is the belief that any individual used the internet to contact a minor for the purposes of any kind of sex crime, that can carry ten years to life. >> so it's interesting to see law enforcement agencies falling over themselves to look into this. the d.a. wants to look into it, the u.s. attorney, federal investigators as well. what would constitute a criminal charge in this case? >> in new york, under the law here, basically you have to have something that amounts to more than speech. contact with a minor and trying to get them to do something. but that can be at a distance. under federal

maria: dagen: problem after any of them sa meta data collection program, it was released some technologyes that were helping or involved in the data collection, the vendors really turned their backs on these companies, and there is a kind of collective thought among technology companies that they should not cooperate or work with the government, in any way. >> certainly -- >> intelligent. >> he only but stance they need to take because people who purchase products want to know their privacy is secure safe. but there is also a responsibility i think, you know within organizations like twitter facebook, google to not help groups like isis spread terror. >> that is the kind of -- groupthink. >> upped stand being private companies could take that tact they want to protect about profitability make sure people want to buy products it is understandable at the same time as we just talked about i sure hope there is some sort of a hand shaky zwen intelligence community and some groups with within technical sector. >> worried some stuff spilled over into election, google is accused of manipulating

about $650 million, put them together with 175 data scientists and created this salesforce einstein platform, amazing companies, whether it was relate i.q. or meta mined or implicity or others. this fabric. that needs to be looked at independently with what is going on with linked in. you now what happened in the first quarter. their equity fell by 50%. it became a screaming buy, it really triggered our m&a committee on the board to look at that. we got excited. we made our bid for linked in. else that made a linked in bid higher than ours, so we did not win linked in, but those are really independent of what we're doing in terms of acquisition for innovation. and that was a very unique and special opportunity, obviously, it would have been extraordinary in terms of size and scale. >> all right, we've got to leave it there. thank you so much for coming on. we look forward to seeing you at force. >> look forward to see you at force. "mad money's" back after the break. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn because you can't beat zero heartburn! >>> before we get to t you a heads up that the documentary i've been working on, "g