that doesn't mean they are not going to continue to collect the metadata.ricans and not americans both america and in the world through other means this is section 215 of patriot act and remains executive 12333 and act gives nsa and other agencies the ability to continue their snooping and their vacuuming up of metadata but in a slightly different manner. in fact, some of the changes were long called for by people in the national security agency because they are getting unwieldy and having to store them on normal servers and now that remains with the phone companies and interestingly the nsa has a bit more freedom how they use the metadata and f.b.i. and other people can share it more freely and so on and there are loopholes and metadata will be collected if there are calls overseas and somehow that telephone call is routed oversees and make the calls to the internet and they have secure parts overseas and also it can be brought up. the fundamental point is edward snowden showed us the breath of the nsa surveillance and other programs underway of americans

>> they do kill people by metadata, no doubt. we helped gather that metadata. what metadata is, the geolocations of the cell phone being used, the gee elocation is of the cell phone being -- being communicated with. the sim number of the phone, the length of conversation that's being done between phones the length of text that's being exchanged if not the direct text itself. but it's all that information being used, to track these people, and they do make kill decisions based off of it. >> it almost is like you're bombing cell phones. and you don't really know who is attached to that cell phone at the time that you commit the kill. >> it's another level of disconnect. if you are not bombing a person you're bombing aterrorist, you're tracking their mobile number, their coorchts, ther co, there's less of a chance of a human being being involved in that. >> in somalia and yemen 57% of targets were identified using things like cell phone numbers. many of those killed are thought to be civilians. the bureau of investigative journalism, a lob london-based organizatio

freedom act that replaced it allows for collection of metadata but with supposedly a few more safeguardslines collection and makes it more efficient after more cell phone records, internet telephone and so on so we won't know how effective the checks and balances are perhaps until we get another whistleblower to tell us but has to be emphasized for the international audience it has nothing to do with you and nsa can cover up anything it wants of your data and you are not constitutionally protected and as we learned from edward snowden they are protecting citizens data from the national security agency or helping the national security agency hover up that data. >> with the analysis from washington d.c. and thank you. family members of the syrian boy whose drowning off the coast of turkey triggered an out cry will be resettled in canada. the three-year-old and the canadian government approved application to bring in her family and original application was rejected which led to the family's ill fated attempt to cross from turkey to greece. and plans to accept 25,000 refugees but says it wil

. >> yeah, we should stress this is about the metadata, bulk metadata collection that was allowed under 215 of the patriot act the call records and who people are calling and duration of calls and where they were and about the content of phone calls and the u.s. was sweeping up all of this information and storing it in huge servers, actually many in the nsa themselves is saying this is a bit unwielding and forms we have in the uso freedom act and replaced that and telephone companies retain the company and nsa has to request it and actually does expand some data collection the nsa has and expands it for cell phone data and internet telephone and so on on one hand where there are supposedly more safeguards for american metadata we will have to see how those work and might take another whistleblower to find out if they are working and have to stress all the other things that edward snowden told us about the ability of nsa to search everything we do on the internet, hovering up of 200 million text messages everyday, all that stuff still is happening and no reform there, some are worried ab

this, as the director of national intelligence puts out a memo, about metadata, saying on november 29the ends, and thenod the government will stop bulk.ting metadata in the usa freedom act requires that the government must now metadatapplication for under terms that specifically identifies a person, account, device, and a way to limit the scope of information. again, that is from the director of national intelligence. carrie from salem. go ahead. caller: anytime you go and apply , there isit card going to be a black strip on the back of the credit card. that has all the information that you have given to that company. a company can sell your information to any company that they want to. that is how come the other companies call and tell you you can go and pay a bill that you already paid before. as long as you go and pay at one time, you have been guilty, and you have to repay it. you can pay up to five times. the republicans are sending our jobs overseas at three cents per hour, and they're taking away our jobs here. it is like the sneaky keystone pipeline. that will disrupt our drin

has that metadata program gone away? >> it's not gone away.g in government's hands. that was an area of bipartisan agreement because so many republicans backed that reform. it had to get through the republican house, which isn't known for passing much of anything, let alone divisive things. people said, here's a fix we can live with, you still get that data if it helps you find and hunt any potential terrorist, but you have to ask for it rather than gathering it up. that program was tens of millions of americans' phone records. the view was what lawyers call overinclusive, a lot of americans sucked up into this government database. but there's a right way to do this that involves checks and give the brave men and women who are out there all the data they need. put the law out of it and talk about how we fight these terror attacks. if the french or anyone want u.s. help for anything going on outside of u.s. borders, it's open season. the united states has tremendous resources. we don't always share that because we don't want to reveal sources t

congress passed the metadata reform bill, but it hasn't yet been implemented.hey're still collecting metadata exactly as they were 3, 4, six years ago before edward snowden ever emerged. nothing has changed in terms of their ability to spy on al qaeda or spy on isis or spy on anybody else. what really is happening here, and to me this is the absolute critical point, is that there are all sorts of ways u.s. government itself bears responsibility for strengthening isis. fundedve armed and groups in iraq and syria that ended up in the hands of isis. just today, four whistleblowers aom the u.s. air force said major recruiting tool of isis is obama's drone program, killing muslims drives people into the arms of isis. the closest u.s. allies in the world -- saudi arabia and united arab emirates andqatar, have been funding isis more less directly. and you have these agencies like the cia and nsa that have received tens of billions of dollars every year and only have one mission. their mission is to find people plotting terrorist attacks. in the case of paris, they pro

we want to get into the metadata with you.been warning of an attack like this sometime. >> i'm worried about our intelligence collection, because of the snowden, so-called reform, i think it badly weakened our ability to track groups. if they were never focused on getting inside individual's telephone conversations or e-mail, they don't do that, they track the addresses that something goes to and the date and time, and it helps following these groups to be able to do that and where we're increasingly at a disadvantage because of these very, very bad changes that were made in the law a year or two ago. maria: what are your observations this morning as we confirm that 124 guests are still in the radisson hotel. 13 staffers are still in the hotel, even though special forces have gone into the hotel and free some of the hostages? >> well, i wish i didn't have this view, but i think-- my honest and real view is that we ain't seen nothing yet. we're going to see a lot of this in different countries in the world, including, i'm afrai

but the nsa isn't completing ending mass metadata collecting.when so many phone calls are made over the internet. >> international calls will still be collected. but the other thing that they bulk collect sent net communications and because so much of americans' internet communications happen to go overseas, those continue to get pulled. >> reporter: dragnet surveillance of telephone metadata and anything else in the rest of the world will continue. only those in the u.s. have some protection from the constitution. as far as washington is concerned, everyone else is fair game. the responsibility of their own governments. and as snowden's leak showed, they are often cooperating with the u.s. in the surveillance of their citizens. moreover, snowden revealed much more than telephone metadata collection. for example, the nsa's ability to search everything a user does on the internet or its collection of 200 million text messages worldwide each day. >> what is going to shutdown according to former white house counter terrorism czar richard clark is j

edward snowden revealed more than telephone metadata collection. for example, the ability to search everything a user does on the internet. or a collection of 2 million text messages. >> what is going to shut down, according to former white house counterterrorism star richard clark is a fraction of what the n.s.a. does. otherwise people are probably expanding mass surveillance around the world. >>> and since the recent attacks in paris, some u.s. politicians are talking of expanding surveillance. >> edward snowden has been used as a scapegoat. even though there's no evidence that the attackers used the internet or exploited privacy safeguards or planning attacks. given the secrecy of the u.s.a., -- n.s.a., it may take another whistleblower for us to see what has change said -- changed >>> a gunman that killed three people at a u.s. family planning clinic said the words no more baby parts as he was arrested. robert deer opened fire. the phrase is one of a wide range of statements deer made to police. no official statement about a motive has been rel

i want to talk about this metadata if i am pronouncing it correctly.that is right, stuart. before 9/11, we did not collect it. we allowed 9/11 to happen. while we had little bits. we were not able to connect the dots. it is running out the rhythms. in the last couple of years they have weakened our intelligence by disallowing the collection of metadata or running the algorithms. whether it is e-mail, text messages or phone messages. that is one of our best tools to prevent terrorism as it happens. stuart: preventing it before it happens and some people say it does not work anyway this guy did it. who has he been talking to all over the world? track down the bad guys. they changed their loss to allow the collection of metadata. black boxes. they are going to be able to go back and track what they missed. we are not able to do that. stuart: that is unconstitutional. you have to name an individual that you are looking at. the collection of records are is therefore unconstitutional. >> the fourth amendment says reasonable searches are allowed. identifying

the metadata collection, the violation of privacy didn't work. >> arealy it's the mass collection. we have thrown a much wider net but what we see in almost all cases is when somebody slips through the cracks there was information that could have been used to interdict those attacks, but it's lost in this sea of noise. we're losing the signal for the noise, and this isn't an effective methodology, and we have to get back to the old traditional law enforcement working with reasonable suspicion, probable cause, looking at evidence of wrongdoing, rather than focusing on things that don't really make a difference and aren't really able to help us identify who is going to be a problem. >> you speak of your years of study with these groups and say there's an element of fantasy about them. >> sure. that's part of it. they have this -- it's very -- terrorism is a tactic. they have a strategy, and unfortunately the strategy works far too often because we're not careful about understanding what they're trying to accomplish. but for the individuals involved, they have this idea that they pump

i don't think that there is a problem with the fact that there is metadata collected because ultimatelyhe dod are there to protect the u.s. citizen. i think that the sophistication that went into this program in order to protect us and monitor certain type of activity, we will take that for granted by asking for it to go away. we don't know what we don't know. i'm really for it. >> hear you, dave. you are not so much. why? >> you know, we really haven't seen where it's been effective. we have heard some stories, but never any hard evidence that all of this data actually protected us. look at the paris attacks. you know, after this happened this was an excuse of, well, we need we need to back door encryption. at the end of the day they were used clear text communications. i agree, terrorism is a problem. but the amount of mean we are spending and the amount of civil liberties that are being violated just isn't worth it. >> joe? >> well, ultimately the d.o.d. and nsa are never going to tell us everything that happens behind the scenes. and because i do know some of the leaders -- i know g

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>> first of all, you're always looking for points of information and metadata that comes in, had comesa program allowed us to have a lot of dots. connecting those dots are the key to preventing the next attack. remember after 9/11 the whole discussion was about connecting the dots. we got to the point that we had dots to connect. process eliminating access to metadata that didn't listen to phones calls, wasn't content but who is calling whom from the bad guys overseas, to maybe giving them instructions. and would allow us to have dots to connect. neil: andy, i'm sorry, my friend, those who protest this say we go too far. we start collecting millions of americans phone records to go after a few. even going after a few, our track record isn't that great. you say what? >> i'm a privacy freak. i want privacy, i understand that i understand the president's job is to protect us. information coming from a phone call coming in from a place overseas, two places in the united states, should be valuable information to our intelligence community to see where the dot is. if that dot represents som

algorithms that can alert the government to suspicious behavior and allows for the bulk collection of metadata the u.s. private information remains with the companies that collected it, and new laws restrict bulk collection of communications. france has an advisory is panel of politicians, and makes the prime minister the final authority on all matters of surveillance. france makes few provisions for protecting whistleblowers, nor for letting surveillances know whether they are under surveillance. cent legislation in the u.s. allows companies to report when they have been asked for information by the government and declassified many court opinions. france could soon be the most surveyed territory in europe. jake ward, al jazeera, san francisco. >>> and when we come back, stopping sanctuary cities, a proposed bill that forces police to work with immigration officials or face heavy fines, as we are watching the apartment complex where authorities are pouring through the complex looking for evidence trying to find the master mind behind the attacks in paris. >>> continuing or coverage of the atta

the professor told me could fight to access metadata which shows when a phone or computer was used. >> almost like a good balance where you want the good guys to have a private conversation. and preventing bad guys from having it. >> reporter: on the nyu campus where today the city lowered the french flag and removed the weekend's tribute lighting, some said privacy must prevail. >> there is -- >> i don't think government should have access to everything we do, no. >> reporter: in greenwich village, andrew siff. >>> here in new york, well wishers are heading to the consulate to sign a condolence book for those lost in the paris attacks. mayor de blasio one of the first to sign that over the weekend, a medal de l al l al l al metal detector. lester holt and the "nightly news" team are in paris and have much more for the search on the suspected mastermind and stories from survivors. that's all coming up tonight here at 6:30. >>> still ahead, charging to see santa claus? a new jersey mall had been charging parents 50 bucks to let their child sit on santa's lap. what happened to finally s

we got very good at tracking these guys through metadata and targeting with drones and follow these guys in vehicles. they started realizing every time they turned on their phone, a black helicopter would land 40 feet in front of them and be the end of their day. one of the consequences of the high-tech war we were executing is they have gone low tech. which makes it even harder. you look at the way that bin laden was able to stay off the grid, they had extremely significant rules, right? they were using couriers, using humans with coded, written commands or memorized. that's very hard to track, kelly. we keep talking about why did they go back to this apartment? remember cellular structures and terrorist networks, when they build these undergrounds, you have different groups of people they recruit. your hard core believers you will be your homicide or suicide bo bombers, soldiers all the way down to people, you know what, doesn't really bother me, fine, you can use my apartment as a safe haven. i'm not going to tell the police but you're not going to see me buy something and get wrapped

and even when people use encryption, they can't hide the metadata which shows who they're communicatingh. so the associates of that ringleader were knowable to the french intelligence service. >> woodruff: already. >> already. and so one wonders, you know, we're for law enforcement access to information, including encrypted information, when it has a warrant in the united states. but one has to wonder why all of this talk about encryption when there's no indication that it was the problem in paris attack? >> the problem here is that even with a warrant, the f.b.i. would not be able to get access to the communications. if they're encrypted, no warrant will get you in. and that's the source of many of the objections we've heard from jim comby and others. they feel we have a social contract that if we have a warrant, we can see the material. now that contract's been broken by this new technology. >> woodruff: as we understand it, the administration backed off on its urgent request that the technology provide a backdoor to this technology that gives-- >> that's right. >> woodruff: i don't t

the government to suspicious behavior and allow the for the bulk collection of phone and on line metadata information. in the u.s., private information reef mains with the companies who collected it for the most part. france establishes an advisory panel of politicians, not judges and makes the prime minister again, not an outside judge or add so correct be final authority on all matters of surveillance that that. in the u.s., the secret courts must cult advocates that represent the. 's interest. france makes few provisions for protecting whistle blowers nor helping citizens to know where they are or have been under surveillance. in the u.s., whistle blowers don't h extend. it declassifies many secret court opinions. france could soon be the most surveyed territory in europe under these provisions. >> that was jacob ward with that report. tensions remain high in places beyond paris. authorities overnight cleared two air france flights diverted because of bomb threats. one left salt lake city for paris last night. the through it was diverted from los angeles to paris. about the same time,

government no longer has the legal authority to hover up the metadata of american's telephone calls ind states. the call duration, who they are calling, where they are calling from and so on. instead the telephone companies themselves will hold that data and under the usa freedom act the government will now request information on a case by case basis, supposedly there are now safeguards and may take another whistleblower to tell us if they are working but plenty of ways with which the government can hoover up and executive order 12333 with secrecy and freedom act expands ability of nsa to get information from cellular telephone and internet telephone and so on and of course the other revelations from edward snowden how the u.s. has the ability to investigate everything on the internet and hovers 200 million text messages a day around the world and that is not being reformed. in addition it has to be stressed for everyone not in the united states none of this makes any difference, nsa feels you are fair game and it's up to your government to protect you as far as it is concerned it can

is collecting enormous amounts of metadata on all of us. they can know who i talked to last thursday when i ordered pizza and what i wanted on it. ( laughter ) >> trevor: now-- what are you putting on your pizza that you don't want the n.s.a. to know about? "hi, i can have an extra large pizza with women's panties on top? actually, actually, can you hide the panties in the cheese?" ( laughter ) really, once you look at it, mike huckabee's entire take on politics is food based. >> politics is like opening a baskin robbins store. if you're going to have should sausage, you have to kill some pigs. i wish i could have had some meat i could put in the meat locker. we better wake up and smell the falafel. the popeyes' chicken in terminal "b." i cut myself making salads. president obama got rolled like a california sushi. >> trevor: that is so many fool of food metaphors, it's too much. does anyone have a sack of imodium? we'll be right back. this is too much, too much. how do you say breakfast in korean? google voice response: achim sigsa. how lo

with manyligence sharing, europeans were critical of the united states for having the collection of metadata, trying to connect people who are conversing back-and-forth in the middle east and the united states and elsewhere. it may be that there is less of an objection to the united states sharing that kind of information to make sure that that intelligence can cross borders in europe to prevent the kind of breakdown in communication and the ability to fight terrorism within the european community. betty: phil mattingly is also with us in washington. i know that you have been working the phones all weekend long with administration officials. anda step back for a moment tell me what does that mean to open up more intelligence sharing channels with other countries. what does that mean exactly? phil: the u.s. and the french have good intelligence relationships and on the law enforcement side. the fbi has an at tashard in paris. they are in regular consultations with their french colleagues. what you see here and what has been happening over the last couple of days is that it has stepped up quit

this produces huge amounts of data known as metadata. thank you. what is also interesting about edward snowden is that he did not work directly for the national security agency. as for as one can tell, he was a subcontractor and worked areially for dell, who responsible for installing those systems and running them in a classified environment. some abilities -- some of these are 25 years old. in addition, he then worked for heen hamilton, which is when decided to flee to hawaii. he only worked for him for three months, but he did that to gain access to more data and to be able to leave to hong kong. it is a question as to whether the security procedures in and of themselves are significant as well to prevent this from happening in the future. one of the issues you might want to consider yourself is that of encryption. revelations,wden the use of something called something partly funded by the data, hash encrypts grown exponentially as a result of this. it was revealed that largely was brought upa including e-mail exchanges. in addition, our connect

under section 215 of the patriot act getting rid of the collection of the bulk metadata pro was calling him so much by way said you talked to him more than you talk to me. [laughter] restarted working together where they soon after i started at the senate. i recognized early on we shared a lot of things in common that we are both former federal prosecutors who understand the power of government needs to be restrained. individual liberty is paramount to we are as a society and no where does that need to be restrained to protect more than in the case of private conversations over the telephone, over e-mail and especially of long term incarceration. lows almost all involve heavy intrusion by government. that is what brought us together on projects like the usa freedom act. and those that we hope to be passed into law and criminal justice reform. >> is a political policy? >>. >>. [laughter] you are so safe i am just assuming. >> no. [laughter] not a problem in billy's. the american people expect us to work together and find areas where we can achieve common ground. i don't intend to stop fi

i do want to respond to something steve said, i think that looking at to metadata a information is aey tool but we have to remember that can be highly revealing of people's private lives. we need to look at something as targeted as possible. emily: we are looking at the u.k. preparing to fast-track new surveillance laws. in light of what is going on right now, what are the chances they do not pass? sarah: i do not want to speculate on the chances they will pass. i think the government has been climbing down a little bit from fast tracking a bill. it gives us many reasons to be concerned. it takes many of the worst abuses revealed by edward snowden and it is going to enshrine them into law. the government can go and turn on your webcam or the microphone on your phone or on your laptop without adequate authorization. we have this -- we are very worried about the of privacy and reasons there. emily: do you think these could have prevented the attacks? steve: it is not the core of the issue. we are concerned about having what controls in place. -- the right controls in place. when you ha

they had to vote on what to do with the intelligence and national security programs, the metadata programave a level of knowledge, discourse, and the credentials are less important than the experience that those credentials represents. mark: if hillary clinton got elected and ask you to be national security advisor, would you do it? dan: wow. mark: yeah, you would. would you do it? you would do it because you are a patriot. but there's not that much tween what you believe in terms of specific policy decisions then you do. true or false? dan: false. health care reform -- the biggest entitlement established in modern times. every democratic president has tried and failed. the iran deal wasn't impressive feat. what the president achieved internationally and domestically -- getting the u.s. congress on board with it -- the implications for the middle east and america's role in the middle east will exist for a long time and hillary clinton was part of that process. nothas asked that she has explained it away. she has not apologized for it. i want the next president to be unwinding this iran de

liz: already has access to metadata. it is not just facebook. i beg your pardon.an we see this stuff? liz: they did comply with 75%. it has been greatly, greatly reduce. and individual privacy. the overall safety of the nation. you have to admit, i have been against the crackdown on these programs from the very first day we talk about them. the metadata program from the nsa, what is still available is the money algorithms on song records, phone records, different databases by the phone companies. e-mail and instant messaging that we are now allowed to run out rhythms on any longer. liz: they have this thing called the snoopers charter that they have been wanting since may 2012. the uk would ban what sap, i message or snap chat. they do not store the information for a year. access it with just a warning. we do not host the data. we just vaporize it. it disappears. neil: this latest james bond movie. fantastic. i digress. when bond, james bond, wanted information, he did not run it by apple. nobody ran it by these guys. i am cynical enough to believe that this happe

the metadata program that we have in the u.s. that allows us to collect telephone number the calls another telephone number or ip address connects with another ip address. it's often a critical tool in identifying people. >> the french don't have this? >> i don't know fp thif they ha or not. it's not a perfect solution. >> if they were using cell phones talking to one another, does it raise issues about companies, technology company vs encrypted data so communications are hard for the government to penetrate. is that wall going to be broken now? >> we're not to create back doors because that compromises cyber security. at the end of the day what's most important is establishing the kwconnection or set of connections that allows you to focus in. you have to do that to know what communications you need to look at. once you have the connections there's a variety of techniques you can use without undercutting enkripgs. >> do you think there's something that other countries, the united states should be doing that it isn't. should ever

and it's fantasy to think that the metadata program will be nearly as effective, effective at all turned way it's been ameppeded. paris will prove out to be an intelligence failure. you have people from multiple country, a sin co niced attack. they didn't get together at the taco bell 15 minutes before and put this think before. so that means it's an intelligence failure on the part of french intelligence, our european intelligence and american intelligence. and it's not a coincidence to me that that this happened in the aftermath of restricting those programs and remember also demoralizing the intelligence community, that awful report that came out from the senate democrats at the end of last year was a complete political instrument that did nothing more than demoralize american intelligence officers all around the world. you cannot don't do that and expect those people will put themselves in harm's way and do the dangerous dirty work that needs be done to get this information. if you continue to demoralize them and put them at risk and take tools away from them at the same time. >> rig

classic that it speaks to he metadata a matter where we are a cross time or space from not the occupiedis from where they wrote the play to sarajevo in 1984 where they did in the midst of the balkan wars for so many people who were suffering of violence and the desolation. we always see the ugly as part of human nature with war and violence and san quentin it was riveted from being performed to because the move to the inmates to a place where they could see a vision and purpose to their life as they were incarcerated. then we went to new orleans to see the ninth word to realize the fast emptiest miles around everything was destroyed to see what the flood did and how many lives were destroyed and on that hallowed ground and said let's do the play here would happen to our play here and that is right decided to do the play. it was a prophetic moment because in the play i realized the epiphany. something happened to the most cathartic moment of my life when i stood of those house of ground were so many had died as they gathered to go through the worst moment of their lives and in the play h

, this is a country where, in may, they allowed a law that allowed the collection and storage of metadata. the entire country is much farther to the right than we are. mark: thank you, brendan greeley. peopleattacks unfolded, around the world wondered if similar attacks could happen elsewhere. aniel benjamin was coordinator at the state department, now a dartmouth college. i want to ask you about the quantity of raids that took place over the weekend, more than 150 of them. what do you make of the response from france so far? daniel: that suggest that they were going after a large number and wereradicals simply not going to wait until network analysis had provided them with three suspects who they should go after. under the circumstances, that is appropriate. it is in for -- important to remember, there is a pretty significant number of radicalized individuals living in europe. france has a very large muslim as,rity, and that minority unfortunately, spent an outsized -- sent an outsized number of recruits to isis. so it's not surprising the french, after such a dramatic event, were going

she didn't actually talk about throwing her weight back behind the metadata program and section 215 of the patriot act with the u.s.a. freedom act or whatever the watered down version is i imagine is going to be the status quo. but it certainly this revives the argument and it really does -- it is a question, judge, if they are not able to listen to everything and they are actually just looking for patterns and they are not interested in people, how many people, you know, are are calling their bookie or having an affair but they are really trying to see what is going on in a nick of time with someone who is radicalized. >> you can't. let me be clear, without a warrant or a court order, they can't listen to the call or read the content of the email under. >> the u.s.a. patriot act they can listen to the call and read the email under the lesser u.s.a. patriot act and freedom act, so-called freedom act standard which is not probable causes a the constitution requires. it's governmental need. what's governmental need? that's no standard at all. the government says we need to listen so so a

under section 215 of the patriot act and got rid of the domestic collection of this bulk metadata under the patriot act, i was calling pat leahy so much that my wife said to me, you talk to senator leahy more than you talk to me. but we started working together fairly soon after i got to the senate. 4.5 years ago. i recognized early on that he and i shared a lot of things in common. we are both former federal prosecutors who understand that the power of government needs to be restrained. individual liberty is paramount to who we are as a society. nowhere does the power of government need to be restrained to protect liberty more than in the case of, for example, our private conversations over the telephone, over e-mail. especially in the case of long-term incarceration. those all involved heavy intrusions by government into individual liberty. that is what has brought us together on projects like the usa freedom act, which we passed into law in june. the electronic communications privacy act amendments, which we hope to get passed by the end of this august, and criminal justice for, whic

. >> tracking a suspect like jihadi genre lies on metadata. part of the targeting process includes the identification of the operatives and then finding the location by triangulating data. in a case like this the preferred scenario is putting people on the ground to collect evidence. what they do is analyze the drone video to see if they can make that determination of the person getting into the vehicle or getting out of house was the target. >> okay. do you have any idea what the impact will be now on the organization? >> well, there's absolutely no question today that this is a major success and it brings to the close the terrible chapter with the american and british and other western hostages and the japanese hostage as well. he was in the involved in policy or gathering the money. in the bigger picture it's probably a significant dent in the organization but it's not going to have a big impact. >> thank you. for more now on the suspected killing of jihadi john let's get real talk from ben collins. we heard kathryn say it wasn't a dent but

director brennan said very well, when he said look, all the metadata people were so torqued about and their knickers in a twist over the snowden leaks, a big room of metadata doesn't seem scary after attack in paris. martha: somebody walking up with a gun and shoot you in a cafe. >> right. martha: mike, always good to see you. let's look at jenna lee with what is coming up next on "happening now." >> more coverage on attacks in paris. the threat to america. we'll talk with presidential candidate mike huck buy. talk about the guiding of isis and how we can effective stop them. that is coming up at top of the hour. martha: thank you, jenna. the new clue and how it may help investigates track down the main suspects in the paris attacks who are out there still when we come back. does it make the short list? yeah, i'm afraid so. it's okay. this is what we've been planning for. knowing our clients personally is why edward jones is the big company that doesn't act that way. it's gotten squarer. over the years. brighter. bigger. thinner. even curvier. but what's next? for all binge watchers.

we criticize nsa for the data mining and metadata retention, that's keeping facts in the warehouse inple's privacy be violated by intrusion into these? absolutely they can. but there's a lot of checks and balances for taking care of that too from congress, both the senate and the house, from judges and what not, to take care of that. trying to take that out of the hands of nsa is like taking a police officer and one guy violates his trust with his gun, so we disarm all of law enforcement. that's what we're looking at here and doesn't make sense. charles: daniel, here's the thing, this week, the paris authorities, they had 79 3 raids, 182 in fact last night. they detained 90 people. they found 174 weapons. 164 now under house arrest. these numbers are amazing. and you wonder why they didn't go on the offensive sooner? >> we're limited right now, charles in what we can do. think about this, the nypd has, depending on last estimates i saw, 28,000, 30,000 police officers. the entire secret service is less than 5,000 agents. the fbi is somewhere around 20,000 agents or something like that?

and it's fantasy to think that the metadata program will be nearly as effective, effective at all turned way it's been ameppeded. paris will prove out to be an intelligence failure. you have people from multiple country, a sin co niced attack. they didn't get together at the taco bell 15 minutes before and put this think before. so that means it's an intelligence failure on the part of french intelligence, our european intelligence and american intelligence. and it's not a coincidence to me that that this happened in the aftermath of restricting those programs and remember also demoralizing the intelligence community, that awful report that came out from the senate democrats at the end of last year was a complete political instrument that did nothing more than demoralize american intelligence officers all around the world. you cannot don't do that and expect those people will put themselves in harm's way and do the dangerous dirty work that needs be done to get this information. if you continue to demoralize them and put them at risk and take tools away from them at the same time. >> rig

the post-9/11 program tracked terror suspects using so-called m metadata.fter the paris terror attacks where the suspects used encrypted communications, the chairman of the senate committee told fox news sunday that limiting the usa comes at a cost. >> the united states made a real mistake when they eliminated this program where we could search foreign, known terrorists' phone numbers to see if they talked to anyone in the u.s. >> they became the poster child for government overreach in 2013 after this statement to congress. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not. >> not wittingly. >> and documents by former contractor edward snowden left no doubt that they were collecting on americans. they asked for a data search. they said the extra step makes disrupting -- if you don't have their entire history, then you're going to miss the fact by downloading certain videos, maybe looking how to build bombs. >> they say a more targeted program is the right approach, because even in p

so one of the issues basically the issue of metadata. to scrub bin rewrite the ads but metadata is also scrubbed which then eliminates some opportunity to trace back to the source this is a question to explain how that is treated on backpage.com as it relates to escort advertising sinecure understanding is correct there is not metadata in back of that. like my it address to be totally irrelevant end to the pertinent to connect the individual food took the photographs with the individual. a but to connect the child to the photographs. >> the use the metadata being removed from the advertisement for a car or anything else? >> that determined that answers. >> metadata it could be important to traffic prosecution because. >> a think we all understand how important but is there any legitimate business reason to remove metadata from the advertisement? >> commercial purposes? there is an investment that may be required of servers. >> and storage is so expensive these days? [laughter] it is very cheap. let's not pretend it is not about storage.

i want to make sure the tools that law enforcement have are as -- and metadata is a big contributor to that. >> i want to get into one last issue with you. there are several allegations into investigations that the officers at the military command were altering and doctors the data to downplay the impact of isis. there's whistle-blowers and you're investigating it, how substantial is the evidence that intelligence was doctored, sir? >> it's very concerning. the whistle-blower that i've talked to was very compelling. clearly some of the information that's come out in the last seven days supported what that whistle-blower claimed. any time we have intelligence that may have been altered to fit a narrative that might be the narrative set by the white house is concerning to me. to think it could come from one of our combatant commands, in this case centcom is extremely troubling. that really changes the risk that hour combat forces might perceive perceive, that they'll be faced with in that combat theater. so i want to make sure that our -- >> let me just pick up on that, if i can, sir. th

. >> dragnet surveillance of telephone metadata and anything else in the rest of the world will continue. only those in the u.s. have some protection as far as washington is concerned, everyone else is fair game. they are often cooperating with the u.s. >> what is going to shut down according to former white house counter terrorisms czar richard clark is just a fraction of what the n.s.a. does. otherwise, people are still expanding mass surveillance all around the world. >> since the recent attacks in paris, some u.s. politicians are again talking of expanding surveillance. snowden is used as a scapegoat. action has been taken and there is reform. it may take another whistle blower for us to judge how much has actually changed. al jazeera. >> japan will resume wail hunting in the an arctic ocean after a year long pause. 333 what else would be hunted for scientific research. last year, the international call of justice in the hague ruled japan was contra veining an international moratorium on whale hunting. >> teachers in south africa are warned they will face court action unless they sto

>> well, this particular program phone calls and the metadata associated with phone calls. there's still some other tricks of the trade that can be used regarding e-mails and other credit card activity, things like that. track down some information but the challenge is that in today's great way to know where people are going because they all have gps on them, and who they're talking to, and so you can really póéndu together a picturf people that are hanging out together in suspicious areas, and more importantly, people who aren't doing that. >> you know, it's that very ability to watch exactly concerned about. i'm curious, technically, how will this be different? will we as citizens be able to pick up on the differences?sáaw >> no, don't think so. this is something that happened in the background, until snowden came out and revealed it, it was happening and wasn't affecting safeguards in place so if anybody was violating the privacy rights of americans, then the should and could be prosecuted. we have very strict rules. people such as myself have top secret security clearan