but tracking down these terrorist leaders is a metropolit meticulous, challenging bit of work. and often once you come across a key piece of intelligence it seems to happen quickly. that seems to be what triggered the onset of this investigation months ago. i wouldn't necessarily think of it as legitimate criticism that we weren't going after abu bakr al baghdadi because of course we were. >> let me ask you this other question. the president was very forthcoming in describing how he said baghdadi died. he said he didn't die a hero. he died a coward. he was crying, whimpering and screaming and he brought three kids with him to his death. he knew the tunnel had no end. to your experience, crying, whimpering, screaming, is that information the president would have been able to obtain in watching this raid or in speaking to people afterwards? >> i'm not sure where he would have gotten that information based on the way he was monitoring the operation in the situation room. and i would actually rely much more on what you're hearing out of the pentagon, either from sources at the podi