perry author and fellow at the metropolitan policy program at the brookings institute thank you both for coming on today. so look over probably have overcrowding lack of proper medical care or unsanitary living conditions were already major issues in the u.s. prison system how is covert 19 exacerbated these existing issues dr perry your thoughts. well if you mentioned it there were looted prisons art. that. where its product. areas. are. areas. they are also. areas people have little recourse and so we need to look or examine the conditions in prisons in and we need to socially distance people and create the kind of conditions that enable people to thrive and so. the short of it is that prisons are in the main places that that are conducive for virus spread and other illnesses. and james is here in washington d.c. a family of an inmate recently died from cobain while being held in north carolina wasn't informed of his death by the bureau of prisons and to over 100 days after it occurred we talk about coping in prisons we often only focus on the guards the staff and inmates but how ha

what needs wealth of a we should look to the policies that created wealth for some and limited it for others. caroline: part of the metropolitan fellow programur view as we head to the dnc problemswhat are the that start to target this issue? . andre: you will see democrats in particular focus on structural inequality. thatwill make an argument you need to level the playing field in order for people to take advantage of markets and housing. there are millions of people buying homes but they cannot reap the benefits of the american dream as a result. you need to have programs and initiatives that invest in the people who are hurt by this market. so i have been recommending to have microloans. programs where you can get low income renters and convert them into homeowners. areas can do that in where you have a number of homes that are valued at a price that banks will not back in terms of a mortgage. how they need to show can establish new loan product, new credit scoring systems, in ways that allow renters to convert into owners. joe: what about regulatory responses either directed toward banks or the real estate energy, realtors. appraisals a