>> metzl: pretty much that... >> stahl: whoa. >> metzl: ...was it.imagine if we have asked the soviet union to do a co-investigation of chernobyl. it doesn't really make sense. >> stahl: china had ruled out a lab accident long before the w.h.o. team arrived at the airport in wuhan on january 14 and were greeted by people in full p.p.e. gear. the team included some of the world's leading experts on how viruses are transmitted from animals to humans, but even though there have been accidental lab leaks of viruses in china in the past that have infected people and killed at least one, no one on the team was trained in how to formally investigate a lab leak. they were there for a four-week mission, but two of those weeks were spent holed up at this hotel in quarantine. once out, they had some tense exchanges with their counterparts, a team of chinese experts, over their refusal to provide raw data. >> reporter: are you getting the access you need? >> stahl: if the virus origiginated in ananimals, one f the mysteries has been: how did it travel the thouou

jamie metzl is a member of the world health organization's expert committee on human genome editing, he has long been concerned about the research that was taking place at the wuhan institute. >> they were doing what some people have called gain of function research, seeing how the world's scariest viruses might infect human cells. >> do you think they were playing with fire? >> absolutely i do. but there were lots of virologists who were in on this. and the idea was let's understand these viruses so we know what we're facing. the counterargument was we're plaing with fire. if it turns out that covid-19 stems from an accidental lab incident from the wuhan institute of virology, it will turn out that that fear was certainly well-founded. >> the wuhan institute is one of china's few level 4 labs with the highest level of biosecurity, enabling them to deal with the world's deadliest pathogens. it's famous in the scientific community, and so is its star researcher dr. shi zhengli, dubbed the bat woman for her work collecting and studying viruses from bats. >> she said that none of the se

jamie metzl is a member of the world health organization on human genome editing.r us to get to the bottom of how this pandemic got started? >> there is a reason why after a plane crashes we do everything possible to understand what happened. if we don't learn those lessons there are other planes in the air. for all we know the next pandemic is just around the corner and if we don't understand and fix our biggest problems we'll be at unnecessary risk. we have to get to the bottom of this which means asking the tough questions and following the data wherever it leads. >> bill: i saw you on 60 minutes last night and lesley stahl was asking about this trip to china, world health organization. you called it a study tour. in other words, you go where they let you. for me the story ended there. if you are going to be at the whim of the chinese communist party, then how much truth will you find ever? >> that's exactly right. people talk about a w.h.o. investigation, but there has been no international investigation and the world health organization as you correctly stated

thanks, jamie metzl. you being here today. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: as we await the president, a new sign of lasting immunity for people that have beaten covid-19. a study out of the cleveland clinic finds that those that have had covid are "under likely to benefit from vaccination." suggesting individuals that have not yet been infected should be prioritized. rand paul has long talked about this. he's joins me now. senator paul, thanks very much for being here. we're waiting for the president to walk in. i want to get this question to you. i thought of you first thing when i read this report from the cleveland clinic what is your reaction to it? >> it has significant public policy ramifications. for example, in india, they can't keep up with the demand so they don't have enough vaccines. you can save hundreds of thousands of lives in india right now today if you'll vaccinate is the people that haven't gotten covid already. if you've already gotten covid, the vaccine likely won't hurt you, but you

jamie metzl former state department official joins us now and w.h.o. adviser. one of the first to question the origins of the virus when no one thought it was possible. and dr. steven quay who has been studying the origins of the virus since the beginning of the pandemic and thinks a lab leak is likely. wrote about it in the "wall street journal" and talking about it ever since. jamie to you, are you encouraged what you heard at the g-7 and nato that they might dig in this time? that it does matter how this started? >> yeah. i think it's a very positive step. i know that you said and a lot of us have questions whether the w.h.o. convened process can succeed and josh rogin is exactly right. it's highly unlikely to do so. we need to give china, let's say, 30 days to come clean to say we want to have a full investigation through the united nations with unrestricted access to all the relevant records. and you have 30 days to say yes or no. if yes, great. let's get moving on this investigation immediately. if no, we will say we have come to a dead end and now we nee

let's speak to jamie metzl now. good to have you in the programme.it| possible, and i thought that as it do now— possible, and i thought that as it do now that there was a natural origin— do now that there was a natural origin of— do now that there was a natural origin of the virus and we will need a futt— origin of the virus and we will need a full investigation into all hypotheses, but the problem early last year— hypotheses, but the problem early last year was that china was engaged in a massive — last year was that china was engaged in a massive and still to get a ongoing — in a massive and still to get a ongoing cover—up. the trumpet ministration in those earliest days, it was— ministration in those earliest days, it was highly chaotic and little bit later president trumps are blaming china _ later president trumps are blaming china and _ later president trumps are blaming china and the world health organization without presenting any kind of— organization without presenting any kind of evidence, so there was a lot of chaos _ kind of evidence, s

brian: jamie metzl read this editorial he might be the initial whistleblower. is he progressive. he worked for clinton. brian: people marginalized his so-called lab leak theory not anymore. here he is last night talking about this after this column appeared in the "new york times." >> we need to give china, let's say, 30 days to come clean. say would he go want to have a full investigation through the united nations with unrestricted access to the relevant records. 30 days yes or no. if yes, great, let's get moving on this investigation immediately. if no, he would will say we have come to a dead end and now we need a parallel process or alternate process led by the united states in conjunction with our allies through the g-7 the eecd and other countries. one thing needs to be clear, china cannot have a veto over whether or not we investigate the worst pandemic in a century. brian: the guy on the other side of this dr. steven kauai. steve: who is the guy in the middle? brian: i have no idea. he said the difference in the sequence with this virus is so dramatica

lawrence: jamie metzl is a democrat.id there is a lot of politics being involved with the science and he was on tucker last night. take a look. >> early last year, i was looking at the evidence and it was -- there was this fake consensus i felt saying well, we know something that nobody i felt knew that it was natural origin, i was looking at all of the data that was suggesting to me that a lab incident origin was really possible. i started asking those questions. and i think everybody should have been asking those questions. some were. but there was a forced consensus that was pushed by -- certainly by the chinese but by a number. even a small number of scientists who had very significant conflicts of interest. unfortunately, we allowed. we collectively allowed a fake consensus to emerge. i think that stifled some very healthy question-asking. ainsley: is he a progressive democrat. think about what he said. nobody felt it was natural think was pushed by the chinese. we allowed a fake consensus. i talked to one doctor he

steve: he is not a right wing nut, he is jamie metzl, and we appreciate you for coming on today.our fox weather for castagno >> janice: good morning, it's a beautiful day in new york city we had showers move through yesterday, a little humid but cooler air is on the way if you like that kind of thing this weekend is going to be gorgeous. let's take a look at the temperatures across the map a lot of 70s but with the humidity it feels warmer and then you've got a cold front moving in from the rockies, showers and thunderstorms in the forecast for parts of the mid-south, the ohio and tennessee river valley also the mississippi river valley, where we have flash flood warnings in effect. that means flooding is imminent and it is happening, and the potential for , you know, dangerous weather there as well as wildfire danger we have started wildfire season very early this year, so already , many fires burning across the west. that's going to be a big story as we get into the next couple of months. still very warm and sticky, we'll get to 90 here in new york but as i mentioned as we get

yesterday, on "america's newsroom," they had somebody who would know a little bit about this is jamie metzla cover-up. >> the problem that we face here isn't the w.h.o. it's not even really dr. fauci. the problem is chinese have engaged in a massive cover-up that is going -- ongoing until today involving destroying samples, hiding records, placing a universal gag order on chinese scientists and imprisoning chinese citizen journalists asking the most basic questions. that's what we need to get around. steve: you know, j.d., it was about a year ago when the theory of a lab leak was poo pooed because donald trump had suggested it. and mainstream media and a lot of people who didn't like donald trump wanted hurt him politically, and they did bye bye completely dismissing this. now fast forward, donald trump is out of office and they are going do you know what? there might be something to that. >> yeah, well, of course president trump was exactly right. and it is the chinese' fault. they did hide information in the early stages of the pandemic. it's also our own public health authority, dr. fauc