metzl?st: again, i think we are at a really uncomfortable moment in talking about race in this country, and it is happening in the context of a lot of other bigger political shifts, but let me clarify what the caller said. i wasn't saying that white people on all the guns. i was saying there is a history of who gets the right to carry a gun in public in the history of america. that is important to understand how the american gun debate shifted, but certainly i think we have a broader problem with crime and violence right now, and it is something we should think seriously about, because i think, like mass shootings, hit is not something anybody wants. i would be happy to talk more with the caller. i think he makes some important points. host: we will go to norman in new jersey. democratic caller. you are next, norman. caller: good morning. i will strip -- i will try to stay calm, though i am not. it's it seems whenever there is a mass shooting, all the politicians condemn it, but i must say i

david hogg and jonathan metzl are back with me.ying a whiteness that there are issues related to whiteness and masculinity that are wrapped up in our current gun culture. talk more about that. >> right, i mean i've studied these issues for it feels like forever, about the past 15 years or so. and i spent a lot of time in the committees david was just talking about. kind of going through where i'm from, missouri, southern missouri, kind of gun culture. i see time and again this kind of conflicting issue which is that on one hand, guns were being sold and promoted across southern missouri and tennessee where i live now as these kind of trappings of kind of what it meant to be white, wouldn't be republican, tournament be conservative. was to not only on guns but some of you i met with they had guns under their beds, they had guns in their night stand, they had guns in the headboard of their beds. and this idea that basically giving up an inch of any kind of gun reform was giving up the whole thing. and people kind of held on to this i

to call this man madman joining us former state department official one shared world founder jamie metzles by name. your thoughts on russia, celebrating world war ii with this victory day parade today. >> great to russia everybody is celebrating defeat of nazism in 1945 the question what is the lesson? the lesson is it is wrong to murder civilians exactly what russians are doing now wrong to invade sovereign states to extend the glory of your country exactly what russia is doing now so great to recognize the end of world war ii. but russia i replicating many of the worst behaviors not all but many worst behaviors of nazis, that should be condemned. >> you have done so much work in terms of trying to keep ccp accountable for origins of covid-19, william burns said over the week beijing is closely monitoring russia war in ukraine potentially to again of again control of taiwan as china said drones over taiwan to improve operations what do you think fortune is taking away from all this? do you expect china to invade taiwan. i think china is learning a lot from ukraine watching very, very cl

jonathan metzl, thank you very much. the book is "dying of whiteness: how the politics of racial resentment is killing america's heartland." appreciate the conversation. guest: thanks so much. host: the house is coming in for a quick pro forma session. they will gavel in and go back out. we will be back when they do so and we will open up the lines to an open form. any public policy issue on your mind. we will be right back. hearts and souls. whether we find ourselves banished to unknown frontiers or struggling at the periphery of our community, you, o lord, will gather us in and bring us back to your loving embrace. may we ever obey your guidance and give heed to your direction, that we would know of your delight when we choose to love the lord, our god, and walk in obedience to you. today, may we choose the ultimate over the urgent, the significant over the trivial, the substantive over the spectacle and the eternal over the temporal. in your sovereign name we pray. amen. the speaker pro tempore: the chair will lead th