people can walk by, and they'll see mevite them over to either help me knit or engage in conversation about how they use their obsolete matter or maybe to talk about womens issues. that's going in this direction. women's issues, women who wear the black shawl. also, a repurposed matter that no one wants. essentially two different ideas being juxtaposed and being knitted together. >> and obviously you're catering to an older generation. are the kids kind of falling for it? >> they wonder -- first, they wonder, of course, what this is. they get very into it because obviously the material is very shiny and very prickly and the sound. they do want to collaborate. >> talk about your work, if you will, over at the mexican heritage plaza. >> absolutely. i'm a visual artist and also a teaching artist. i sometimes teach the summer camps. i teach classes during the year. i try to instill creativity and focus and discipline in the students because it is very, very important. people generally think that artists are lazy and crazy and don't do anything. that's not true. >> do you have to maybe thi