what do you think they really believed that the mfn, you'd have to ask them, but i don't think think it was for corporate money. i just think it was corporate america just it was very strange situation. what was corporate america of services, banking and insurance, and all that? just wanted to access to all of that. >> but the u.s. >> china business council, a group that is moderate and smaller sized businesses who wanted access to china. we're not getting it. and what if if say you are a small business or a moderate sized business, us and you had a product that you wanted to sell in china, the chinese would demand the design once they had the design. and you've thought you're gaining access to the market there. they'd say, we don't need you anymore we're. going to work going to sell it to our own people. you can't sell here will compete with you in the global market. of course, competing means you'll have their employment practices. we'll do it with prison labor and it'll be cheaper for us as they're doing now, as you see some of the chinese dissidents now who are freed, who had bee