in britain it is mis's is what mi6 does. in britain it is mis‘sjob. increasingly is what mi6 does., jihadists looking for a low—tech ways of inflicting maximum casualties with the minimum chances of their plans leaking out. today the government's efforts to monitor people's communications were dealt a blow. the european court ofjustice ruled against data. the ruling, which the government is appealing against, was hailed by labour's tom watson and others, who said it proved the government had overstepped the mark. some disagree. i think it will make it more difficult, not only the fight against terror, but the fight against terror, but the fight against organised crime, sexual exploitation service even things like looking for missing persons. criminals are often very careful in the days before their crime about who they talk to on the phone. that is why it can be very useful to go back into the records for a few weeks or months and see who they we re weeks or months and see who they were speaking to them. efforts to keep the public safe from a terrorist attack are starting to look l

some believe there were betrayed by mi6 operatives.e of 1944. we wanted the germans to buy that. prosper is the example of how easy it was. knochen interrogated some of the soe, members of the prosper network in france. >> alex, to your right. >> a comment first and then a question. i notice that april 29 of 1945 was also the same day that felix sparks liberated dachau. it is interesting how that plays out for the protagonist in another story. could you comment on the overall effectiveness of the resistance movement in france? and also, i get a sense from what i read, that the french look to back on the second world war -- here is a country with the largest army in the world that one point, gets rolled over by the germans in nothing flat. and now a matter of shame in many respects. somehow, the resistance movement seemed to kind of bolster the french and how they look upon that period. >> if the french ambassador is here, please leave the building now. maybe not, given what just happened recently. i think you raise very important point

but first of all it is interesting that we know who the mi6 director is.didn't used to happen. now it is a more open society. >> are you saying it is bureaucratic if. >> it is a little bureaucratic and it is true, actually and it makes people laugh, but it is true they look for people with strong moral compasses. his point about the ethical link, that's true. you are given a great deal of responsibility and things can head south quickly if your compass is not set prop he. we still need people who can play golf and do all of those things. >> unarmed combat and ski. >> i don't know about that whole women thing, but it is a great business. it is a great business. what i'm trying to say is don't be discouraged by tom's headline on this story young men and women out there watching this. the intel services still need you. >> i don't have a problem with a strong ethical core. i have a problem saying bond doesn't have it. >> i think so too. he reminds me of inspector gadget who is my preferred. >> you like gadgets? >> i love inspector gadget. >> james bond, what i

soe ise to remember that not mi6. if you google my name, you will see that i am listed as an mi 6 agent. [laughter] my place of recruitment is geneva in 1997. mi-6 andlex kershaw that's because i went to college with a few people who did actually work for british intelligence and probably still work for british intelligence. but anyway, i'm not an mi 6 operative. but the mi 6 existed at the same time as the soe. and it was thought that the soe were a bunch of churchillian amateur's. the kind of bar. by churchill.d he wanted a group of opposites to set europe aflame, he said. they were not professional intelligence operatives in the sense that mi 6 were. all the way to the war, mi6 soehed a silly -- watched and they were set up. mi 6 got on the real business of intelligence. churchill's cowboys and cowgirls paid the price. some believe there were betrayed by mi 6 operatives. three germans would swallow a false story about when they were going to invade france on d-day. it was propagated that it would be the fall of 194

getting spies inside terrorist networks overseas is what mi6 does. in britain, it is mis‘sjob.ys, jihadists looking for a low—tech ways of inflicting maximum casualties, with the minimum chances of their plans leaking out. today, the government's efforts to monitor people's communications were dealt a blow. the european court ofjustice ruled against the indiscriminate, bulk collection of data, except in the case of serious crime. the ruling, which the government is appealing against, was hailed by labour's tom watson and others, who said it proved the government had overstepped the mark. some disagree. i think it will make it more difficult, not only the fight against terror, but the fight against organised crime, sexual exploitation, even things like looking for missing persons. criminals are often very careful in the days before their crime about who they talk to on the phone. that's why it can be very useful to go back into the records for a few weeks or a few months, and see who they were speaking to then. efforts to keep the public safe from a terrorist attack are starting

yeah, these are the warnings we've had for a while now, from andrew sanders in mi5, alex youngerfrom mi6through the country. there is an element of luck. there has been lots of hard work conducted over the last few yea rs. work conducted over the last few years. though we're these physical in place, the best form, any form of prevention, is to information, having people pass information on, no matter how trivial. it could really help prevent future attacks. one of the key dangers is the person who has been influenced themselves and takes it upon themselves to carry out some sort of act. that really is difficult. in terms of counterterrorism police and mi5, is it perhaps easier to try to foil a plot that involves explosives, that is necessarily relatively sophisticated, compared to a lorry attack where all you have to do is jump attack where all you have to do is jump in the cab of the lorry? without doubt. if you're looking at using explosives, you're looking at various terrorist cells. they've got to communicate. they'll have some form of electronic footprint that can be picked up. an i

they are a mixture of mi6 and gchq in the federal republic.rman mi5, they have a long track record of providing poor service, particularly in respect of extreme right—wing people and, you know, these chickens are coming home to roost. we will have to leave it there. very interesting. thank you for joining there. very interesting. thank you forjoining us. there. very interesting. thank you for joining us. thank there. very interesting. thank you forjoining us. thank you. 0ur correspondent, bethany bell, is in berlin. a security correspondent said there how many terrorists leave id behind at the scene of the crime. the authorities could be on the wrong track in terms of their chief suspect. at this moment in time the suggestion seems to be that the authorities believe this man, anis amir is the chief suspect? that's certainly what we're saying at the moment. the authorities are not saying that much, it has to be said. they said that they have discovered his fingerprints in the cab of the lorry as well as this identity document, and they put out