and then there's also some other departments the department of energy and i idaho the miami dade police department and the city of harrington kansas and these are just a few examples talk a little bit about why some of these schools are taking on you know wanting the ability to use drones in their airspace and also some of these very small cities in this country. first universities and kind of uses for drones that actually may not be malicious or of a people's privacy there are legitimate uses for drones i mean police police officers or law enforcement agencies can use them for search and rescue operations or fighting wildfires where people couldn't get or mapping natural disasters they can even be used for journalism and so i think that's what a lot of these universities are exploring. and as far as who actually owns fronts right now we actually had to file a lawsuit against the f.a.a. because they were keeping all that information secret even though manned airplanes in aircraft have to be are or are posted automatically and are transparent about who's operating them for some reason they were doi

connecticut and then there's also some other entities the department of energy in idaho the miami dade police department of the city of harrington kansas. so there. we just wanted to kind of you know show people this is going on all around this country but don't you think jefferson a lot of people are going to you know sort of start to wondering when we start to wonder what's happening in their skies. yeah and they are and i think the industry needs to and government need to address this you know you mentioned some police departments there's eighteen thousand police departments in the united states only about three hundred of them have helicopters right now until a cop is a very expensive da parade so a lot of these police departments are going to be able to obtain an aerial capacity for surveillance for search and rescue at a much lower cost so i think especially in the area of public safety we're going to see you know growth and people do need assurances that that there is that there's going to be safety and and privacy are going to be taken into account it's really come it's coming very quickly and t

. >> sergeant tony ojeda of miami's dade county police department, has been following these groups for4 years. he's arrested and interrogated hundreds of members, and he says they have one thing in common: almost all of them started off as pickpockets. >> that is their foundation. it doesn't matter what their specialty is, but that is their foundation. they all learned the art of pickpocketing. >> and how does pickpocketing help them out? >> obviously, number one, they want to get money. but the second thing, more important, is they're looking for travel documents to smuggle more of their criminal element into the united states. [ticking] >> coming up, trailing the boosters. >> sometimes you might not be sure what type of crime they're gonna go out that day to commit. and you'll have to surveil them and actually watch them for a little while. >> you call this fishing? >> yeah, it's sort of like fishing. you don't know what you're gonna catch. we can catch a boosting team, or we can catch a jewelry team. >> that's ahead when 60 minutes on cnbc returns. [ticking] i went to a small high s

police departments getting these drones. are presidents going after it. >> there are a dozen police departments that have called for a coa, certificate of authorization. miami dade along in doing that. the city in obama is thinking about it. seattle is thinking about it. mesa county in colorado has drones in the air now. >> what are they using them for? >> makes the counties industry. search and rescue primarily. >> i could see it for churchsearch and rescue. i don't think anybody would have a problem for search and rescue but if you have drones circling overhead getting a picture of your license plate or your movements or your face, right? >> right. >> all of this information could be be gathered. talk to people in police departments, they say, you know, we are really not interested in that. we don't have time to do that. they really talk about probably search and rescue as the most pressing and hostage situations. >> if you had, for example, an anti-war marriott mall -- >> right. >> right? it is not impossible or like i am not wildly exaggerate to go say that the fbi or whom ever could take a picture of everybody, everybody on that on the mall. >> yeah. >> rig

alleged homicide case with a small local police department, with no supervision, completely bungled this case. phil: the first responders on the scene, miami dadere rescue, one of their paramedics testified that, in fact, after the dramatic 9-1-1 call which had many people there sobbing in the courtroom it took them 32 minutes to get to the house. >>shepard: 32 minutes? this is unusual. the dead woman's parents are testifying on behalf of the man accused of killing her. phil: very unusual for a murder trial where the husband or wife is accuses of killing a spouse but that is what is planned by the defense. the parents of his former wife, lina, kauffman, who was 34 when she died are going to testify they had a great marriage, and he had no motive to kill her, and the prosecution says the optimistic beliefs disputed by science. >> they have no doubts about the nature of the death being strangulation, and they are at that point in their mine stating death is a him side, they will now want to rule everything else out. phil: the statement was that he was sleeping all along, woke up and found his wife in the bathroom but the police who say they respo

the miami-dade medical examiner waited a year-and-a-half before concluding that the evidence suggested mechanical strangulation and then, the aventura police departmentufman with second-degree murder. but in the opening statement the prosecutor for the state presented photographs of lilly kaufman's neck and her eyeballs saying all of that indicated that she had been strangled and that she had some defensive wounds underneath one of her fingernails. now the defense claims that she fainted in the bathroom while adam kaufman is sleeping in bed. he comes up and finds her apparently either hitting her neck onto the toilet rim or the magazine rack. >> or if you believe the version where she was on the toilet and slump forward into the magazine rack neither version is we'll possible under the laws of fist sigs. because under the laws of physics you can in the generate enough force to cause those neck injuries. >> reporter: key evidence for the state here is that the cops that arrived on the scene say that they heard a clicking sound and the hood of adam kaufman's car was warm despite the fact he claimed he was home sleeping all night long. jon: and the defe

miami-dade county has them. montgomery county, a county north of dallas in texas. and they have a drone. and about ten other police departmentsplied for a certificate of authorization which is the faa says you have permission to fly the drone. >> bill: again questions about this developing and pretty scary technology. 1-866-55-press. this -- i want to come back to the military use of these. so first of all are all of these c.i.a.-controlled drones or the pentagon have some too? >> there's two entities which run drone strikes. the c.i.a. and the special operations command. the c.i.a. is believed to control the strikes in pakistan. joint operations command controls them in afghanistan. "the washington post" has reported last week that the c.i.a. now has authorization to run the program in yemen. >> bill: okay so let's say the c.i.a., there's somebody there with a joystick, right who's directing this drone and firing the missiles. where is that person? >> that person is probably sitting across the river in langley as best we know. >> bill: sitting here and pushing a button. this is what -- the problem i have with this. this is a