michael says he may have dozed off.n he went back inside the house sometime after 2:00 a.m., there was kathleen at the bottom of the stairs. a ghastly sight. >> and i saw her lying in the back staircase. her feet out. and there was blood. there was just blood everywhere. >> my wife's had an accident. she's still breathing. >> what kind of accident? >> she fell down the stairs. >> reporter: was she breathing? >> she was at the time. >> reporter: she was? >> yeah. >> is she conscious? >> what? >> is she conscious? >> no, she's not conscious. >> i knew she was dying. i mean, i'd seen enough of that in vietnam. i mean, i knew she was dying. >> please, get somebody here right away. please! >> okay, somebody's dispatching the ambulance. >> send the ems right away, right away, right away. called them again. how -- but apparently it's only, like, two minutes later. but it seemed like forever. >> reporter: a long few minutes, but nothing compared to the many, many years of questions that would follow. what had happened on that b

she ha michael cohen, it's michael cohen.told rachel about how michael cohen is feeling. >> the president has done nothing in order to make michael cohen feel like he has michael cohen's back. and that has been a problem. you forget the president went on fox news and basicallyd i barely know the guy, he's a coffee boy, he did a small and rudy giuliani has gone on television repeatedly making this harder for michael cohen. and the reaction from michael cohen, from everything i know from my reporting, has been these guys don't have my back. now a man who is frustrated, isolg alone and feeling very, very angry at the trump family in general and at the president. >> angry at the trump family in general and the president. and he has information about the trump family and the president. >> and lawrence, i think what's going to happen, look, nothing lasts forever. i know people think things last forever, they don't. so what's going to happen is the narcissism of this president, his arrogance, his stupidity is going toch up to him b

touch with michael cohen. he texts, call me. he gets no reply from michael cohen. and the next day, march 2nd, keith davidson texts michael cohen, busy? nine minutes later, michael cohen replies, 15 minutes we should speak. keith davidson says call when you can. at 3:56 p.m., michael cohen says he will call at exactly 4:00 p.m. and have another lawyer, la la larry rosen on the line. at 4:14 p.m., keith davidson, now the nervous one texts, you calling? michael cohen immediately replies, with flotus give me a minute. public reports say that michael cohen and melania were in the home in the florida that day. michael avenatti believes he knows what mrs. trump and michael cohen were talking about that day. and michael avenatti also believes, along with stormy daniels, that michael cohen and keith davidson were colluding to deny stormy daniels proper legal representation in her case against donald trump. that keith davidson was working for donald trump's benefit and not the benefit of his client. stormy daniels and

michael flynn says michael flynn lied and robert mueller says michael flynn lied. and the fbi says michael flynn lied. and michael flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. but moves importantly, michael flynn says that michael flynn lied. that's what's important here. if donald trump said one true thing in the driveway this morning i would show it to you right now, because it would show that he knows how to tell the truth about something, and that would mean that lying is a conscious choice for him. it's a conscious choice and he makes that conscious choice every time. when you watch donald trump in the driveway this morning you're seeing someone who seems to know there is nothing in the truth that sounds good for him, absolutely nothing. and that's why he lies. the truth is so bad for him, he will lie and create a falsehood that his followers will believe instead of the truth. so he lied about the inspector general's report. >> here's the good news. i did nothing wrong. there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. the ig report yesterday went a long way

challengers is his michael grimm. the are the rules of debate, which have been shared with by both campaigns. they will have a maximum of 90 seconds to respond to individual questions it will be given the opportunity to respond if directly addressed by the other candidate. will have a cross-examination round during which each candidate will be asked to ask his opponent a question. will be a lightning round it was the answers must be yes, no, or a short response. please follow along tonight on social media. we begin now with short opening statements. the order was drawn randomly. selected first so he will begin with the first opening statement. dan: good evening. i think the audience and the people at home where watching tonight. i have serve this community for over 20 years with honesty and integrity. i was the deputy president of staten island during one of the most vital times of our city's history, after the september 11 tragedy. i was chief of staff when we closed the garbage dump. i was the da of staten island wh

>> michael cohen's attorneys are withdrawing or separating from michael cohen. en this happens it's important to remember that this could be for a number of different reasons. there's situations where attorneys can voluntarily withdraw. there's situations where nay must withdraw under the rules of ethics. it can be for reasons like non-payment. an ir retrievable break down of communication. it could be another reason. another possibility is an attorney cannot counsel any future crime. that's one of many instances that warrant an attorney's withdrawal from represen >> one of the theories in this case is that michael cohen may be changing his strategy in whatever way he thinks is necessary. is that a possibility as well? >> what we're seeing here is a classic example of the federal government's war of economic attrition against ndants. michael cohen, if he does erate, he will be like many others before him. for the first year of the investigation of prosecution claim i will never cooperate. i will stay strong and i will go to trial. after maybe a year or so of dra

cohen feel like he has michael cohen's back, and that has been a problem. president went on fox news and basically barely know the guy. he's like a coffee boy. he did a very, very small percentage of my legal work. >> right. >> and then his attorney, rudy giuliani, has gone on television repeatedly making this harder for michael cohen. and the reaction for michael cohen, from everything i know from my reporting has been these 't have my back. and from the first time i interviewed him last august, the way that michael cohen spoke about the president was like you were talking about his father, his boss, his hero in life. he could barely walk by trump tower. he would get teary-eyed because he missed him bei there so much, to now a man who is frustrated, isolated, feeling alone and feeling very, very angry at the trump family in general and at the president. >> last question for you. if mr. cohen either based on those feelings or any of these other dynamics we've been that he is going to cooperate de with prosecutors and tell them everything he knabout his inte

well, michael cohen has just tweeted. he's just tweeted that he has not been hanging around with tom arnold. so what's going on here? tom arnold will explain it all, i hope, coming up in this hour. >>> and we will also be joined once again tonight by attorney peter schey, who is the president's strongest, most effective opponent of the president's new policy, which is the president is now trying to reverse that policy of keeping children in federal custody at the southern border. the reason peter schey is the president's strongest opponent is that he is one of the lawyers handling the flores case. and the flores case is a class action lawsuit that for decades now has been controlling the rules for holding children in custody at the border. the president cannot make those rules because peter schey's lawsuit does not allow the president to make those rules. as we come to the end of another week of chaos that president trump has created by arresting babies and children on our southern border, let's remember that, that we sti

i do have to say, if michael cohen, if stormy daniels, if michael cohen's attorney we'd have him on as often as possible to talk about the developments in this case. >> i know they've been invited on your show, anderson's show and countless shows to come on and answer any questions, let alone tough questions. and they keep dodging the invite, and then they want to complain when i go on the shows and answer questions. >> i have to say again, and people said the same thing about donald -- candidate trump and the other candidates during the election. he said yes, and you said no. and if you want to compete with him, right, you come on as well. so clinton didn't do that, the other candidates didn't do that. his attorney says no. so i think you're absolutely right. if you want to defend yourself, you should probably in the best light, the best way you can, you should probably view it in realtime instead of through statements. >> 100%. but you don't see me trying to shut up rudy giuliani, do you? i think it's fabulous. every time rudy goes on television our case gets better. in fact, as oppo

when you read michael cohen it just isn't the same. i tried it too. i can't do michael cohen. that's why these tapes are an amazing window. we'll hear more. there are more tapes out there. they will emerge. we are going to hear more of these things. >> i will say, lawrence, between you or i trying to do the best michael cohen. you technically can act. >> i'm just a tiny bit closer to michael cohen -- my michael cohen is a tiny bit closer than yours. but as my audience will hear during my hour as they heard during yours -- >> no substitute for the real thing. >> you have to get the best hollywood guys to do michael cohen. >> hollywood or somewhere. >> thank you, rachel. >> good night, lawrence. >> today the president of the united states began his day by getting in a fight with the president of the united states. and the president publically toyed with the one absolute power of the presidency, the pardon power in order to pardon, dinesh d'souza a republican racist and convicted criminal. we will have more on the president's feverish approach to pardons with lawrence tribe, but

michael cohen is 100% sure if he is and i think that's the honest truth. i think there are a number of people who want this to go one way and some people who want this to go the other way there are a lot steps that have to happen between where we are and what we learn today. and what we learned today was import and it's a decision that according to people around him who i spoke with today, this decision to change attorneys and the attorney's decision to leave the case what will happen at the on the other hand this week is something they have been talking about for weeks, if not a month. so that is a big development. but there are a number of step we haveo take to get to the next place if there is a step to take to get to the next place. >> was it a mutual decision to part ways? there. >> are a couple of reasons, like any good breakup, it depends who you ask and there are a number of reasons why it dik out. the first reason is this case is entering a new phase. so the document collection phase and sorting through between what is privileged and what is not p

ain't no matter like a michael cohen party because a michael cohen party really messy. i wonder whether this is the kind of fixing that's so messy it's to the fixing that much. >> absolutely. since we are talking about the bodyguard story in the "wall street journal's" story from today, the national enquirer, whoever the spokesperson was in speaking to the "wall street journal" explained that that story never came out because they couldn't find enough credibility from the source but the national enquirer published a story about hillary clinton that you reference called six months to live. claiming that hillary clinton had six months to live. so for them to call into question and say that there was a problem with credibility i think is very hard to believe. and this other thing i really want to point out is the larger context of the fact that donald trump was only endorsed by two newspapers. which is very low for any kind of major candidate for president. and that was, one, the national enquirer. and the other one was the kkk's newspaper. that real he tells you everythin

you know michael cohen.) michael cohen, evidently, he either dropped or lost his legal team, and they have not named a replacement for who that is going to be. there are rumors that he's going to flip or that he's about to be arrested. which one do you think is about to happen? let's start with you. >> i think both are going to happen. i predicted a couple of month ago that michael cohen was going to be indicted, that he was in a whole heap load of trouble. and i think we've seen that play out over the last couple of months. there's no question in my mind that he's going to be indicted. and there's no question in my mind he's going to flip on the president. i think michael cohen is in a very, very bad spot. and i think the president is in a very, very bad spot, because this is what happens when you trust your inner-most secrets to a moron. ( cheers and applause ). >> stephen: mr. scaramuchi-- hold on. yes. >> that was a little less civil than i thought. >> stephen: the chair recognize mrs. scaramuchi. >> her

well, michael cohen is the whole ham so if they want to indict michael cohen, they'll indict him. he wasolved inge times of donald trump's life, he's a key, key witness in this case. >> reporter: and the president knows it. we know the president has been on this kind of pardoning spree, right, maybe sending out messages to the likes of m cohen like ie got you. but if michael cohen is switching lawyers because of the bizarre chapters of their past, could he be sending a signal right back? >> he could but he doesn't need to do that in the way that this is being done. his lawyer president's lawyers and say whatever it is he wants to say. to me, lawyers, you do tt for t purpose. you switch lawyers because you need orant to switch lawyers. i don't think it's about the messaging. i think that might be a separate channel going on here but probably not the lawyer. >> we d talk about this pardonpardon thing and a lot of people want a pardon from trump. i think if he's going to pardon witnesses, he's going to wait until very late in the game. if you pardon michael cohen now hierks cnow, he

this is very bad news for michael cohen. both in terms of what he was obviously counting on to protect him in this process. that's not working out. but also the speed at which this is unfolding in federal court. his lawyers have been trying to slow this down, slow this down, don't let prosecutors get this stuff yet, slow it down. the judge said, no, it's all going by the end of next week. because of the kind of relationship michael cohen had with his main client, donald trump, it's probably also the case that this is bad news for the president as well. and 's a lot going on in the news. and i know there's a lot of deliberate outrage being created all the time. but focus on this cohen case and the threat that it poses to this president. as this very quick time frame and this sort of dire legal circumstance for michael cohen has come into focus over the past few days. that is when we have seen the sudden increase in the discussion of pardons from the president and his legal team. when the court first set that june 15th deadlin

it's clear that michael halkcha noot tee wants to get michael cohen in a room to take his deposition. >> this is not the normal course of events. if people are going and saying it seems like michael avenatti is out with a new punch and new suit. that's not how it usually goes down. clearly there's stuff here including the texts that they got a hold of that gives them a claim. a nonfrivolous claim to go after these people in a new way. what everyone thinks of cohen, dav davidson and avenatti, this was raised in the karen mcdougal suit. she got the national enquirer company to back off. it was the same set of allegations. we did speak to her lawyer about this and it's pretty fascinating. take a look another this moment. >> why was michael cohen involved? >> i mean it's the $64 million question. >> you don't know in. >> we don't know. >> you think it's nefarious? >> of course it's nefarious. >> what is the link here and if there's a pattern of davidson doing this and cohen and trump know about it, what other problems does that create? >> you talk about problems. i know you're a huge jay-

michael avanati. is my live guest tonight. i have some big questions for michael. tom arnold is a trump critic who is now spending part of his career trying to either catch or torment donald trump. he has new project launched to get damaging tapes on trump. and cohen deciding to share this provocative photo. >> don't worry. tom arnold is on it. and i'm tom arnold. >> arnold saying tonight that cohen did talk to him for his new show, hunting trump. and he adds, quote this dude has all the tapes. this dude has everything and it's on. i hope trump sees the picture of me and michael cohen and it haunts his dreams. moments ago nicolle wallace asked arnold if cohen had given him any tapes. >> we know what was seized from his offices included audio and recordings. did he promise to share those with you? >> to share with me? oh, michael cohen first of all does not work for vice. i want to make that clear. he is not getting any money. he is probably broke. i shouldn't even say that. michael cohen did not make any promises with me. >> but you are working on it? >> oh, i woul

you point out, michael, that the government has produced the reconstructed documents seized from michaelohen's paper shredder on his encrypted messages tweeting this. so much for encryption protection. what are you implying here? >> what i'm implying is really that's not directed to michael cohen, per se, but there's a lot of people around the country that rely on these apps for encrypted communication. when i received that letter and the government disclosed that they had been able to decrypt those communications and produce over 700 pages relating to michael cohen's communications that he thought were encrypted, i thought that was rather stunning. michael cohen is not using encrypted applications to communicate with family members about the ball game. those communications are going to prove to be incredibly damaging, i predict, to michael cohen and ultimately perhaps the president. >> how important do you believe these shreds and encrypted documents could be to your case? >> i think they could be critically important, especially as it relates to communications that michael cohen may ha

this is michael cohen's week in review. michael cohen just drop a hint about flipping on trump? cohen quits rnc gig. michael cohen wants trump to pay his legal fees. and the publisher of the national enquirer in probe. his legal problems are mounting as i understand from family and friends to do some sort of deal to avoid jail time. >> there's never been any doubt in my mind how this was going to end up. if you look at the southern district doing what they did, this extraordinary and incredible thing. we have to go back to the beginning. the raid itself on the personal attorney of the president of the united states. what the standard was to get that warrant was off the charts high. they knew he committed crimes before they walked in the door. they almost had to prove that to get the warrant. so they now are engaged in this broad wide ranging criminal investigation that is going to yield indictments and probably going to present michael cohen with a choice of spending the rest of his life in jail or cooperating. there is almost no one given that choice and someone who everyone wh

michael's my attorney and you'll have tk michael. >> michael cohen's office was raided in days leading us up to tonight's news. honestly, was that the dumbest thing donald trump has done this year? >> no. >> top five? >> it's up there. the reason is he once he had rudy come out and clean that up. that's what rudy has been doing. we all thought, i didn't believe that rudy was doing this terrible job. i was happy as a trump person to see somebody getting on tv finally defending h >> why have rudy clean up a mess you made on air force one? whte the world and mueller might have been listening, ask michael hen? >> i would say rudy came out and told sean hannity, i even think sean had no idea. he said michael made the payment. he was on reta. >> you've been around donald trump. he doesn't admit nmistakes but e does pivot and spin. would he do that moment over again? >> he'll never admit the mistake. he thinks it's cleaned up. what's very interesting about the new york times article you were referencing. he was very close to publicly breaking away from michael. i had warned them in the press

this is certainly embarrassing for michael cohen and for the lawyer. the original lawyer for stormy daniels. because it suggests that what they were really doing was working to protect donald trump's political interests. this is earliers year. this an exchange of e-mails in januarof this . before michael avenatti took over the representation of stormy daniels. donald trump is not copied on the e-m. he is not -- there is no indication that he read them. but the implication that michael avenatti is trying to draw from the e-mails is that he was knowledgeable about the attempt to discredit the accusations of stormy daniels. and it's a plausible claim but there is no proof of it in this lawsuit. >> we'll hear what the other side says. gloria, could this be potentiall a significant headache for the president? >> well this whole thing is a headache for the president. and i think that what avenatti is clearly trying to do is keep this in the news and raise more questions about what the president knew and when he knew i do think there i flip side to this. beca

michael didn't want me to mention again and steve owns the regency. >> where michael ko help is is stayingings were within the last how many months? >> i was at the regency -- >> all after the fbi raid. all six have been after the fbi went into his armt. >> they went into his hotel room. >> and apartment. >> and -- wait, say hypothetical that i -- >> let's ta away from hypothetical. unfortunately i have to get commercial breaks in. i want to stay away from hypotheticals. >> i bet you do. do you know how good he is? he's very good. >> i want to get the specifics and facts. what were the meetings about? why have you been meeting with tom arnold? excuse me, michael cohen. >> because i can't tell, i'm not sure the con tek of the other meeting and i know i sound like jeff session, but in saying last night was about eyeball, i didn't know how well it was going to go down. if we were going to fight because it turned oult to be a god thing. just a face -to-face. to see what side he was on. it was come to jesus thing. >> let me ask something. i am listening. let me ask you aside from your meetings

that's what michael cohen -- or sorry, that's what michael avenatti told npr as part of our reportingttern of threats that were issued by michael cohen over the last few years. >> what does that pattern look like? >> that pattern looks like what you heard just on that awed two yeo tape a few minutes ago. it looks like threatening everyone from megyn kelly, who if you'll recall after the campaign after a very tough republican debate michael cohen retweeted a tweet that said "we can gut her," referring to megyn kelly. he would go after people like that. but also smaller targets. people like tom wattic. a person we spoke to. he was a student at harvard who pulled a prank on mr. trump during the campaign, and he got a phone call from mr. cohen saying essentially that hey, i'm going to try to get you expelled. i'm going to sue you as well. so there was no target too big or too small for mr. cohen. and what we really get a sense of, right? is it was michael cohen's job more as a lawyer for donald trump or more as a fixer. someone who was willing to do almost anything in terms of legal threa

michael: i agree. hell, no. host: should pharmaceutical companies be held criminally liable for the opioid crisis? michael: yes. dan: those who were deceptive. host: there is a controversy over whether or not the bridge has been misspelled because the original family spelled it with two z's. should it be added? dan: no. it is like getting a stamp where the plane is upside down. let's keep it. michael: i wouldn't change it. host: should members of congress be allowed to sleep in their d.c. offices? michael: no. dan: yes. they should. host: your favorite restaurant in the district? michael: tony's brick oven. dan: that is a really tough one. i eat out a lot. i don't want to upset nyone. one of my favorites is the new ones, the corner house. host: they can candidates. it is time for our cross-examination round. each candidate gets to question his opponent. we are to start with michael grimm. michael: there has been enough name-calling, i think that the people want to your about what is going on in the district. we

why did michael cohen make that if there was no -- >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you knowhere he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> and it claims president trump knew about the conversation between davidson and cohen because of this text. cohen wrote, the wise men all believe the story is dying and don't think it's smart for her to do any interviews. davidson writes, 100%. so which cohen replies, thanks, pal. cohen and davidson kept in communication according to the lawsuit, with cohen getting a heads-up that daniels was going to get a new attorney, michael avenatti and they were going public with a lawsuit. cohen went to mar-a-lago to meet with melania trump in order to get out in front of the approaching lawsuit and publicity. days before that first lawsuit was filed, michael cohen was at mar-a-lago when he texted davidson, we should speak. when davidson asked, you calling? he said with flotus, give me a minute. keith davidson's spokesman issued a statement tonight saying this outrageous lly frivolous lout is another desperate attempt by michael aven

michael cohen. my appall jieologies. if arrested what would that mean for the special counsel's inion? how does that affect them? view, if the southern district is handling everything unrelated to the president, and what the agreement i suspect is, is that anything that the southern district finds, that t russia -- and there are things we've learned about michael cohen in connection to -- >> from moscow and others -- >> even after election. the peace plan he reportedly delivered to michael flynn and otr things. the relationship with columbus movie virginia and the russian oligarch. those thing would probably flow down to the spe counsel, everything se, particularly anything related to the trump organization, my guess would stay in the southern district. >> they wouldn't just gobble up the other investigation? wouldn't just -- that will be a closer call. the trump organization, i think. given the overlap. my guess, they'll keep the finance campaign stuff. taxi medallion stuff and other criminal acity here in the southern

he spoke to michael as recently as today and smopoken about thi case. >> michael's words to me, he's loyal. he said i'd rather jump out of a building than turn on donald trump. i spoke with him yesterday and he doesn't know what he's talking about. sg you're michael cohen's friend. how's he doing? >> he's okay. i spent about an hour with him yesterday and i spoke with him today. >> friend. foc. >> friend of cohen. >> yes. he and i have a complicated relationship. anybody who watches knows how i feel about trump. michael and i go back 15 years. i've tried to help him in way. my a at the end of the day michael will have to do what's best for his family because he doesn't have a loyalist on the other side of the equation. >> do you think he understands that more than previously in. >> i think every day he's understood it more and more. the way you kind of frame the issue about the payments. that's not what they are fighting about. i think trump has stepped aside from paying because he wants the assumption to be none of this is my gig. if it gets out he's paying for it then he can't say

and michael cohen his attorney. these two guys between the two of them will know what was or wasn't happening with respect to russia. >> they will know a lot. one hopes for the president's sake that he has been telling the truth. if not, he could be in really deep trouble because they may have various issues with regard to michael cohen that coul cause him to flip, they meaning the feds, the prosecutors, that could cause him to flip, not only on -- well, cause him to flip on trump. and that's what trump has to worry about. he can flip on many, many things, whether it's local crimes, or federal crimes, or collusion with russia. so trump has a lot to worry about. >> i would add, if the youant to give donald trump the benefit of the doubt, paul manafort did come out of the woodwork. they don't have a lon relationship. he did promise to wok for free. and he appeared to have, according to bob mull mueller's allegations proems that predated his relationshipith trump. that's all supported. michael cohen is not that guy. >>

michael cohen is not met with prosecutors, at least not yet. but what would they want to ask him and what do we know? >> what we know, is that this is an investigation right now that is focusing on michael cohen's business past, certainly the -- his ownership of taxi medallions which used to be a lucrative business in new york. but don't -- let's not forget this is the president's fixer. this is the person who has been so close to the president. he's known a lot of intimate details about president's business over the past few years. so there is a lot of information that he has and this is why you see -- as brin just mentioned, people close to the president has been frankly freaked out and wondering whatctly is on cohen's mind and whether or t there is something here that could bring danger to the eside >> he's been with the president for a decade. that i know. what would it mean for the president if michael cohen were to flip and cooperate with the feds? >> well, look, i think right now people have -- at the justice department have tried to mak

walls could be closing in on former trump attorney michael cohen. a source close to cohen tells me he does expect to be arrested soon. but is that what he's telling all of his friends? and according to multiple people familiar with the matter, michael cohen has yet to speak with federal prosecutors involved in the inquiry. nbc news has also confihat fixer is expected to split with his attorneys. it is unclear though if that means michael cohen is going to cooperate. we can report that michael cohen's legal team is still ough the evidence seized in the raids on his homes and offices. multiple officials say any conversation though about a plea deal as of right now is far too premature. so could all of this news simply be part of a new legal strategy? could it be a smoke signal to his former boss, the president, who he might believe abandoned him at the height of his legal troubles? could it be both? the big question we're asking today -- if mics indicted, will he flip on donald trump? gabe sherman is a special correspondent for vanity fair. danny ceva

shannon, bring us up to date on your latest reporting on michael cohen. and the reporting out there today that what he's looking for in a lawyer is exactly what bev at the studio in new york, people with experience in the southern district of new york. >> well, that could be what he's looking for right now. the indication we got is that h through the next phase of this case. now, whether that means he needs someone to help him through a phase where he's a cooperating witness, past document production or a phase where he has to find a different way to pay his legal bills. we were never able to get to the bottom of so far today. but we do know to this point that was made earlier, his legal bills were becoming astronomical. he had 15 lawyers, two data specialists, a team of paralegals and associates working around the clock, sleeping on couches, trying to review all these documents. actually, one associate had to be sent home because he so that is the type of legal might that we're talking about here. this could be something that reaches well above $1 millio

that's perilous for michael cohen.of perilous for everybody. >> the president has proven his willingness to say i can pardon anybody on aerg and i've been doing it. give me muhammad ali who doesn't need it. i'll give it to anybody, jack johnson. why doesn't he just do it? nobody's explain this had to me. get this guy out of the way, give him a total pardon for life like gerry forward gave nixon and walk away for the trouble. >> there's been concern thatisn cohen as michael cohen is to trump. perhaps this was a one-sided friendship and maybe that's what cohen is seeing and feeling right now. >> if you pardon a guy totally, you don't have to talk. they can just not talk. >> doesn't cohen have to be decided or charged with something before? >> nixon never indicted. >> go ahead and do it. >> you you're working on abc's report tonight. some have speculated he may have gotten the tip from the president. >> there's very little obvious respect for the norms going on and certainly wouldn't shock the system if there was back cha

so it's a key moment for michael cohen. we also know that obviously the pressure from prosecutors here is something that there is this pressure to perhaps make a deal and provide whatever information prosecutors believe they need as part of their investigation, brooke. >> do we know on that last point, do we know if he has potential of any kind of deal? p >> we're told he has not yet been told by prosecutors about this. we don't even know where the prosecutors want him to come in and do a plea agreement because they may well have enough evidence. they may think that they have enough evidence that they don't need his cooperation and that they're just going to go ahead and indict him. they certainly suggested in court documents that they believe that an indictment is very, very near in the offing. as a matter of fact, the only reason why it hasn't happened, it appears, is because they've been fighting over the access to these documents. for michael cohen, this is a key time. at the end of this, the split with this law firm, i

let's bring in michael avenatti, the attorney repg sto daniels. michael, good to see you. do you know if michael cohen is any more inclined to cooperate with the u.s. attorney? >> i don't know for certain, jake. but based on my experience, i'll tell you this. there is a common progression here when yohave individuals that are in the situation that michael cohen is in. and they start off very defiant and then they realize how much a case like this costs to defend and by the way, i estimate that his attorneys were probably soaking him for about a half a million dollars a week in connection with this case over theast t-- two months so that adds up quickly so you could be looking upwards of $3 million or $4 millioni'm sure michael cohe happy about paying that money because they should have allowed the taint team to conduct the review of the documents and saved him money. t i predicted this a couple of months ago. i said he would be indicted withinn the next 90 days and we're at day 58 and i predicted that he would flip on the president because he would not be left with a choic

michael cohen and donald trump.el cohen hired a new lawyer signaling cooperating with the prosecuter. and he put out a call for trump to pay his legal fees. you put michael cohen speaking out against the internment of children at the border as he resigns his seat from the rnc. a seat previously held by elliot brody, and steve wynn who was guilty of sexual harassment before that. the moral of -- authority of that position. this is an effort to bargain with trump, and trump, i think all he can say back is too goof ball. i don't know where this is headed. >> maya, rudy giuliani is now admitting he was interviewed by fbi agents. he says they interviewed him in his hotel room at the trump hotel in washington d.c. asking about his comments during the presidential campaign indicating that a big surprise was coming and that was right before the russian hack of the dnc. >> well, that's right. and remember, rudy giuliani can't hold himself out as an attorney and ask for attorney/client privilege. he was simply a campaign supp

the baggage michael flynn had was obvious.is christie or newt g g gingrich came with too much. >> there was already enough drama around him. he didn't need more. we saw vice president pence at the fema event as well. in your book you write about their relationship, right, the relationship with the president and the vice president. what is it like? >> well, vice president pence told his older brother, greg, that trump remind him of their father. and i think that was really interesting. their father was a korean war vet, very tough disciplinary. trump does all the talking in their meetings. pence never disagrees with him. they spend about three hours every day together, they talk every morning and night. but pence is on message in the white house. even when he's traveled abroad he's called the president late at night to go over speeches. i think there's a feeling of there in his staff not to upset the president. >> i just wonder how the president feels he's like a father figure, like a dad. i don't know about that one. >> yeah,

out there -- sean hannity was in fact a client of michael cohen. so there's that angle, too. >> how did michael avenatti get a hold of these text messages, tom? >> katy, i have absolutely no idea. that's information that has n shar far as how he was oiable to get hold of these messages. >> he has a lot of information, seems, that others don't have. a lot of documentation for things. he just seems to pull out of his pocket. danny, one last qstion for you. if it does endp looking -- or being as shady this looks, what could that mean for -- one, for keith davidson, and what could it mean for cohen? >> professional least, lawyers are governed by the rules of professional responsibility. there may be some discipline attached to some of this conduct if it crosses the line into revealing client confidences and breaching that duty of loyalty that we all have to our clients. not only with keith davidson and michael cohen have to fight this case in court, they may also be subject to discipline by the bar in each state in which they are admitted if this condu