michael anton has thought a lot about that question.er former national security official in the last administration, and he sat down for us with a long and fascinating conversationow on "tucker carlson tonight" on fox nation. here is part of it. ♪ ♪ >> in the competing two models the blue state model versus a red state model, it seems to me there is a real serious will on the part of the blue side to rule the reds -- >> tucker: yes! >> and the reds have no desire not to ruled the lose, but they also don't want to be ruled by the blues. >> tucker: the red states are kind of the ottoman empire. you can practice your own sectarian religion if you want to, unmolested. and the blue states are like the soviet empire. you have to read the catechism or else you are in deep trouble. >> that's a problem. if these two governance models contending for the future of the united states, they are not contending on equal terms. >> tucker: no, they are not. >> one of us is going to win in one of us is going to lose. i think the red model, if you would ju