one from hoover, michael baskin and one from pakistan.f that discussion, it was the only really high point. the net of the discussion was the pakistanis are foregoing tremendous economic opportunities by virtue of the tension that pervades the country. if they can do something about it, they could have almost an explosive economic situation. so, our thought is hold that up to people and say, come on, why don't you get real and pay all. whether how much of an impact that made, i have no idea, but it was a dramatic moment, wouldn't you say, bill? >> very dramatic. i would also say the first meeting we had, i met with the foreign defense minister of pakistan. i asked why he was going to so much trouble to come to the meetings and discuss these issues. he said because i think we are heading for a nuclear war. not just terrorism, but nuclear war. he said i think it is likely somebody in pakistan is now plotting a mumbai ii. if that happens, the indian government will not show restraint. it will send a force into pakistan to punish them. the pa