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. >> wall street journal senior white house reporter michael bender provided a behind-the-scenes look at president trump 2020 reelection campaign. here's a portion of the conversation. >> new shortage of trump books. you could fill the library over the last 30 or 40 years. i have written over 1000 stories about trump in just the wall street journal and i wanted to give people something and a reason to keep turning the pages. this book is the only one to date that explains trump inside the room details from the oval office under the hood of the 2 billion-dollar campaign exclusive memos, text messages and some of the decision-making process there. another unique piece of this is a front row joe. secondly that is for two years with the people who go to 30, 40, 50 by the end of 202060 and what i wanted to do is understand that to them a little bit more about this movement. what about them as people in men and women had them coming back again and again, and it's like we see the same show and trump that he could elicit the synergy and what i found was i was very, very lucky that these folks

. >> senior white house reporter michael bender. frankly, we did lose this election. dent continues to lie about this. there is no evidence to back up the president's bogus letter to secretary raffensperger which we already knew. the fact that he's still clinging to these old lies and sort of dressing it up as if it's somehow new, quote, unquote, evidence, did it surprise you that he chose to br write this letter? what was the point of actually writing a letter and publishing it? >> it was him saying he did not lose the 2020 election and he's sticking to that. it is frightening that he's sticking to this message. in the run-up to the riots in the capitol in january, there were a lot of people around trump who thought he was going to find his own way to maybe not a concession, exactly, but some way to say he lost and leave office gracefully. but he had been promising something quite different for five years. my reporting over the last year since he left office is that the folks around him have largely said the same. not that trump is necessarily looking for victories in

. >> did you talk to michael bender his book "frankly we did win this election, the inside story of how trump lost." >> yes. >> and were you accurately represented in these the books? >> i haven't read any of the books so i don't know. i've seen press reporting of it. >> okay. >> i haven't read the book. >> let's have you read the books and then let us know if you were accurately portrayed. >> happy to do that. >> senator blackburn, we're adhering to the five-minute rule. thank you. >> senator rosen, please. >> thank you, chairman reed, ranking member inhofe for tolding today's hearing. the critical part of this committee's oversight responsibilities. it's an opportunity for the american people to get answers about our withdrawal from afghanistan and how we plan to counter terrorist threats in the future. i also want to sincerely thank the brave men and women who served our country in afghanistan, many who made the ultimate sacrifice and, of course, their families as well. secretary austin, general milley and general mckenzie, i appreciate you all being here to address lingering concern

joining us now senior white house reporter for "the wall street journal," michael c. bender did win this election, the inside story of how trump lost". >> michael, thank you for being with us. how far was donald trump willing to push things behind the scenes to try to overturn the will of about 80 million plus voters? >> he was willing to go as far as he needed to and do and say whatever he needed to keep himself in the white house and his hold on power. i think that's what this book really lays out here. we all know how chaotic this administration was and how chaotic this president was. what i was struck in the reporting of the book and i tried to lay out here, is how dangerous the people closest to trump thought he was for the country. >> yeah, there are a couple of things that have made news. in the book you recount a blowup between then president trump and his vice president. quote the most heated discussion pence ever had with trump in may 2018 when news broke that pence's super pac was hiring lewandowsky. when they climbed into the presidential limousine on their way t

wall street journal senior white house reporter michael bender provided behind-the-scenes look into president here is a portion of that conversation but. >> there's no shortage of trunk books. last 30 or 40 years, details by the oval office, under the hood of the campaign exclusive memos another piece of this, who is two years for people who go to 30, 40, 50 by the end of 2060. what i wanted to do here was understand a little bit more about this movement. what about them as people as men and women had been coming back again and again. effectively to see the same show. and what told us about trump he could elicit this kind of energy. what i found was, i was very, very lucky that these folks trusted me too tell their story and to that i will forever be grateful. i think it really enriched my reporting and understanding of this movement in our country right now. these are folks who had a lot of time on their hands. they are recently retired or almost retired. they may be never had kids or were estranged from their families. they were drawn to his energy, this celebrity in the same way many peopl

. >> visit booktv.org use the search box at the top of the page to look for michael bender or the book frankly we did win this election. >> welcome to the museum edward w kaine the executive director i want to thank all of you for watching this program and your appreciation to her three cosponsors the boston host and the quarters. it is now my pleasure to introduce the state quarters executive director sharon singleton for two nights. >> i had the absolute honor and privilege to introduce one of the most renowned and holistic historians of african-american and native american history today. you don't have to take my word for it as she is the recipient of. >> arthur foundation genius award born and raised in cincinnati ohio doctor holden ab and afro-american studies from harvard university and him and from inward university and a phd from the university of minnesota. currently she is a professor of history and the ratcliffe professor at harvard and she's the director of the charles lawrence center for studies in american history. i'm not kidding when i say she is prolific she is the aut

. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book, frankly we did win this election, the inside story of how trump lost? >> yes. >> were you accurately represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of the books so i don't know. >> too busy reading can be. who believes he didn't read any of the books, even the pages where he was mentioned, he gave the interviews because you want to burnish his own reputation and protect his legacy for prosperity. these hearings, millie, austin, mckenzie look like football coaches on a 5-game losing streak. those generals aren't leading anyone to victory. >> i know members of this committee will have questions on many things such as why we turn over bagparameter airfield. >> there was no risk-free status quo option. >> i did not see any tactical utility to bagram. laura: imagine what china thinks of the great american war machine led by these men, not being able to secure an airbase long enough to do an orderly evacuation, forcing our troops to to impossible perimeter security with crowds crushing for them. general milley did admit the withdrawal wa

. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book, "is frankly we did win this election, the inside story of how trump lost. >> yes. >> and were you accurately represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of the books. so i don't think. >> jesse: buying that, dan? >> dan: i mean, really? you didn't read the book. so he spent all of the time talking. milley looks like a guy that not only reads the book. a couple of stunning moments there. hawley got him good. they got him to acknowledge it. you uh guys left americans behind. cut the crap. there are americans there right now. stop saying you didn't leave americans behind. you did, admit it. apologize profusely. get them out, do your thing. he did something in the hearing, a lot of people didn't catch it. i don't know how they missed it. he said two entirely contradictory things. he's talking about the call to china which he claims now has been misrepresented, we'll see, where he spoke to the chinese communist party and usurped the role of the commander in chief and basically said, i was there to defuse the situation. so he didn't misin

. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book "frankly we did win this election, the inside story of how trump lost"? >> yes. >> and were you accurately represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of the books so i don't know. i have not seen press reporting of it. i haven't read the books. >> okay. let's have you read the books and then let us know if you are accurately portrayed. >> absolutely. >> you think that the joint chiefs chairman has more to do than to be reading books and reporting back and senator blackburn is from tennessee, but phil rutker, i have to give you a chance, he hasn't read your book. >> i think he's familiar with what we reported. there are a lot of scenes in there about -- >> well, i botched her state, so that's okay. >> we are all in it together. >> it's been a long hearing. >> it has been a long hearing, an interesting hearing at that. look, what we depict in the book is accurate, there's been no challenge from milley or from anybody in his office or at the pentagon about the things we report about him. >> of course. we know that there has been no

. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book "frankly we did win this election, the inside story of how trump lost"? >> yes. >> and were you accurately represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of the books. so i don't know. i have seen press reporting of it. i haven't read the books. >> let's have you read the books and then let us know if you're accurately -- >> absolutely. >> he's telling the press reporting so he knows the quotes and context. you will notice that he didn't say he was misquoted in the revelations in any of those books. there is another book in the news, as well, from former trump white house press secretary stephanie graisham. she never held a press briefing, which was her job. that was her job. so she's got a new book out. hugely ironic title called i'll take your questions now. "the new york times" reports that she writes the then president inspired by north korea's brutal dictatorship asked her to research ways the press could be barred from the briefing room which seems like a waste of time since she wasn't briefing anyone. she also strongly implie

. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book is frankly we did win this election the inside story>> yes or no. >> and were you accurately represend in these books. >> i haven't read any of the books so i don't know. >> it could sound like shade. max, you're a washington veteran. there's a term, the wasngton read which is when government officials and exofficials go to the index, read the section about tmselves and move on. a precursor to our looking online in the mirror on the internet. everybody has some of that appeal. he didn't read the books, he participated, he is honestly acknowledgin that. what the republican angle would be there. a lot of this reporting, washington post books and elsewhere has used primary sources to paint a ptty damning picture of trump, especially on his way out. >> right. of course republicans are being completely two faced and hypocritical. it's all fake news media. if there's anything negative about trump you can't believe a word of it. oh, you have to take that on faith and they instantly lead to conclusions. i think general lley provided context in

frankly we didn't win this election with michael bender and i alone can fix it by phil rut kerr and another author. why is he as the joint chiefs of staff worried about bob woodward's book sales. it makes no sense unaccept acceptable and inexcusable. senator, i know you are not only a senator but serving in the military. a lot of great member and women fought over there and they deserved a better verdict. thank you, senator. >> thank you. >> brian: you got it meanwhile, remember whether joe biden said we wouldn't leave anyone behind in afghanistan? >> americans should understand the troops might have to be there beyond august 31st. >> no. americans should understand that we are going to try to get it done before august 31st. >> but if we don't the troops will stay. >> if we don't we will determine at the time who is left. >> and? >> and if there are american -- if there is american citizens left, we are going to stay until we get them all out. >> brian: he had to be prodded to say that, but shouldn't he be forced to back up his word? that's what senator josh hawley found out that, in fact,

sean: general milley today also came clean about gossiping with reporters like bob woodward and michael benderoks by claiming that he hasn't actually read any of them but again, ask yourself i was only so eager to gossip about donald trump? at one point he said i don't want to reveal my conversation with the president. i guess unless you're writing a book. do we want a chairman of the joint chiefs, top military officer, disclosing publicly what the president of the united states of america is saying? why was he politicizing our military? tde why was he holding secret calls with china and making assurances that he would give them a heads up if we ever needed to attack them and scheming with nancy pelosima seemingly to undermine the constitutional authority and chain of command of the president of the united states and getting loyalty from other military leaders, almost a loyalty oath, talking to china alone, admittingat that he said he woud tip them off? that would be a fireball offense and he must be investigated immediately. he should be relieved of his duties immediately. that undermines our

. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book "is frankly we did win this election" the inside story represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of the books. so i don't know. >> bret: what about that mollie? >> well, i think people had already realized that the person who gave the story to bob woodward about how general milley had undermined president trump and given advance warning to our adversary in china and conveyed a very destabilizing message to china. people knew that story came from woke general mark milley. he likes to talk to reporters, a lot of reporters, get a lot of information from him. so it's good that he was honest about it. but, you know, as senator blackburn went on to talk about, he and his colleagues were sitting there really showed what a military bereft of actual accountability for leadership failure looks like. they talked about how one of them said something about how it was logistical success but a strategic failure. the departure from afghanistan. it was not a logistical success. it was a logistical failure. it's true it was a strategic failure. and

>> did you talk to michael bender for his book, frankly we did win this election, inside story of how trump loss, yes or no? >> yes. >> were you accurately represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of the books, i don't know. i've seen press reporting of it, i haven't read the books. >> let's have you read the books and us know if you are accurately portrayed. >> senator blackburn, five-empty rule. thank you. >> senator rosen, please. >> thank you, chairman, reed for holding this hearing, important hearing, oversight responsibilities, an opportunity for the american people to get answers about our withdrawal from afghanistan and how we planned to counter terrorist threats in the future. i want to sincerely thank the brave men and women who serve our country in afghanistan, many who made ultimate sacrifice and of course, their families, as well. secretary austin, general milley and general mckenzie, i appreciate you all being here to address lingering concerns we have about the last two decades of war, generally and past two months in particular. you are all men of honor and in

. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book, frankly we did win this election, the inside storyp lost. >> yes >> and were you accurately represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of the books. >> senator blackburn was going for a gotcha, but it didn't seem as though general milley was taking the bait. what did you think? >> it's interesting, and unusual in washington. i wish there were more high level sources in washington who would testify under oath and simply admit that they spoke to journalists as the chairman of the joint chiefs have just done, and, you know, so that takes a lot of the air out of the gotcha game. general milley is someone who is not afraid to speak his mind but has a very very firm view that there was something extraordinary and threatening that was occurring in the country in the last six months of donald trump's presidency. that presented a unique set of decisions and challenges for any chairman of the joint chief. probably no chairman had ever faced that set of challenges that mark milley did in those few months, and again, the afghanistan withdr

. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book is "frankly, we did win this election, the inside storyf how trump lost"? >> yes. >> and were you accurately represented in these books. >> i haven't read any of the books so i don't know. >> joinings now, bob woodward and robert costa. authors of "peril." best-selling news-making inside look at the final days of the trump administration. and general milley may be the only one in washington who hasn't read your book. bob woodward, had he read it, he would know that you write extensively about the different voices who were telling president biden that they thought that leaving some troops in afghanistan might be advisable. i am curious, then, how you then explain the apparent contradiction in the interview with george stephanopoulos? >> well, um, it's most interesting always when there is a -- a -- an apparent contradiction. what the reporting that bob costa and i did shows that in march of this year, not only secretary of defense austin but the secretary of state, tony blinken, went to europe and met with the leaders -- with the foreign mi

. >> did you talk to michael bender for the book is frankly we did win this election the inside story of how trump lost yes or no? >> yes. >> were you accurately represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of the books, i don't know. >> john: interesting line of questioning, senator. did he surprise you with his candor? he surprised me with his candor? >> i think it surprised people he went to yes or no, had been batting around questions all day. i think this is mark milley being proud of his political aggressiveness he's displayed. i talked to a lot of people who knew him throughout his career, he is aggressive politically throughout his career. we'll have more questions for general milley when i step back in the hearing room. but here is the thing, he chose to put that time on talking to reporters, helping them write books, providing information when he should have been working on withdrawal plan to get our citizens, our troops, our allies out of afghanistan. he should have been watching the taliban advancement and paying attention to that, rather than trying to polish his res

reporting on the inner workings of trump world, carol leonnis and "the wall street journal's" michael benderbest selling book "frankly, we did win this election." thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." i'm going to start with you, carol. both of you covered the trump white house in real time and you did your own reporting for your respective books and now here is "peril" from woodward and costa. carol, you first. were you surprised by anything that has come out in terms of the reporting from that book compared to what you've reported yourself? >> well, you know, i have to be absolutely transparent and say that i'm a huge fan of bob woodward and bob costa and they're friends and bob has been a role model for a long time. add that lack of objectivity to my answer. please, all you viewers, i'll say that for our research for the book we were quite frankly shocked by what we hadn't learned in real time for the washington post about mark milley when we were reporting "i alone can fix it." and what bob and bob found in their book i think pulls back another layer of the onion and tells

woodward cost a book but for other books to reporters that wrote a critical book about trump and the michael bendera "wall street journal" reporter who wrote a very anti- trump book. there is a real lesson here for top officials especially top military officials, joint chiefs of staff dishing these reporters, not a good look. last thing is, i do accept what the general said about not going rogue on china that he talked to china with full knowledge of the civilian leadership. at the lesson here is for all of us not to get so excited when the bob woodward publicity machine gears into action. we should wait to find out more before everyone looks at us-- at a sensational story and gets their hair on fire. we should wait to learn. maria: i'm so glad you mention this, i mean, you are the chairman of the general joint chiefs of staff, why are you leaking for books, i mean, that alone not to mention the botched afghanistan withdraw should mean accountability should happen, that means a step down. byron, thank you. byron york, we will see you soon. we will be right back. you have the best pizza in town and

. >> did you talk to michael bender for his book? >> yes. >> and were you accurately represented in these books? >> i haven't read any of these books. so, i don't know. >> let's have you read the books and let us know if you're accurately portrayed. >> happy to do that. >> i yield back my contact. >> thank you. >> senator rosen, please. >> thank you, chairman reed, ranking member, for holding today's very important hearing. a critical part of the oversight responsibilities. it's an opportunity for the american people to get answers about our withdrawal from afghanistan and how we plan to counterterrorist threats in the future. i want to sincerely thank the brave men and women who served our country in afghanistan, many who made the ultimate sacrifice and, of course, their families as well. secretary austin and general mckinsey, i appreciate you being here to address the lingering concerns we have about the last two decades of war and the last two months in particular. you are all men of honor and integrity, who have served nobly and