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with us now, presidential historian michael beschloss has written ten books on this subject. his most recent, "presidents of war." michael, for those for whom the vietnam war is not a touchstone, let me add some american cities and towns with roughly the population that we will reach here in the next 24 hours. grand junction, colorado, terra haute, indiana, cupertino, california, pontiac, michigan, chapel hill, north carolina, casper, wyoming. in the background, michael, we have an administration, and as i said, this media industrial complex looking to diminish, not commemorate or empathize because we're viewing this from the comfort and safety of two different camps as a nation. >> right. usually in american history when we've gone through a war or a crisis like this, we haven't done it when the nation was so divided and when the president was making an effort to a great extent, arguably, to pit one part against the country against the other for political reasons. franklin roosevelt was very politically ambitious, but in 1944 when he was thinking about d-day, the last thing

presidential historian michael beschloss on presidential responsibility when we come right back.cuse me. uh... do you mind...being a mo-tour? -what could be better than being a mo-tour? the real question is... do you mind not being a mo-tour? -i do. for those who were born to ride, there's progressive. >>> ultimate victory in this war will be made possible by america's scientific brilliance. there is nothing like us. not even close. i wish i could tell you what powerful countries say to me, the leader. they say it quietly and they say it off the record, but they have great respect for what we can do. >> susan glasser of the new yorker has a different take on this president's leadership abilities. regarding this crisis, she writes the following. "it has been met by the same old, same old from america's president, unhinged press conferences and unfounded conspiracy theories, lies, attacks and bizarre non sequiturs and abrupt, seemingly incomprehensible policy shifts from a leader who has no problem changing course at the expense of his own credibility. back with us again tonight is

i think we're losing michael beschloss's signal. we will try to reestablish.n nbc news presidential historian and author of "the presidents of war." i do want to tell you about the special that we've got on tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. it is called "into the red zone." it is about the coronavirus and how it attacked italy, which is the hardest hit country. our partner, sky news, had remarkable access to that italian city and speaking to doctors and people in the city about the lessons that the world can learn about the coronavirus as it attacks america in a way that is very similar to the way it attacked italy. will be speaking tomorrow morning to italian prime minister who is now an italian senator. we will be talking about what lessons we can learn from italy which seems to be on the other side of its apex. remember, we have not hit our apex in the united states. in places like seattle it looks like we're on the other side of it, but in new york, which is now the epicenter of this thing, governor cuomo says we are still possibly a few days away from being at

i think we're losing michael beschloss's signal. we will try to reestablish.nbc news presidential historian and author of "the presidents of war." i do want to tell you about the special that we've got on tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. it is called "into the red zone." it is about the coronavirus and how it attacked italy which is the hardest hit country. our partner, sky news, had remarkable access to that italian city and speaking to doctors and people in the city about the lessons that the world can learn about the coronavirus as it attacks america in a way that is very similar to the way it attacked italy. will be speaking tomorrow morning to italian prime minister who is now an italian senator. we will be talking about what lessons we can learn from italy which seems to be on the other side of it's peks. remember, we have not hit our apex in the united states. in places like seattle it looks like we're on the other side of it, but in new york, which is now the epicenter of this thing, governor cuomo says we are still possibly a few days away from being at t

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michael beschloss, thank you very much as always for your perspective. we hope you and your family stay safe. >>> coming up next, i will talk to congresswoman tammy duckworth about the next wave of relief and small businesses he at this time hardest. >>> coming up later, the biggest tran sit system in the country has seen the death of 68 employees. a 98% decrease in ridership and a loss of $10 billion in funding. i will be joined live from the chairman of new york's mta. >>> ♪ this virus is testing all of us. and it's testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. so abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need. and until this fight is over, we...will...never...quit. because they never quit. . >>> the state of illinois has surpassed a grim milestone. there are now more than 30,000 confirmed coronavirus cases across the state. saturday matched the deadliest data so far. new data shows one in four of the coronavirus deaths are tied to nursing homes. joining me is senator tammy duckworth of illino

for more on this, i'm joined by nbc news historian, michael beschloss.you are staying safe, staying healthy, all of those things. >> thank you. >> let's start with the issue of grieving, national mourning, national grieving. this is not the first time that this has been noted of this president. he is not generally an emotional person when it comes to showing empathy. that is who he is and that is who the american people elected. but this feels like it's been an off -- it's been uncomfortable that we haven't mourned the 50,000 collectively as a nation. >> it sure does. and that is a big part of the presidency for our president to mourn with us and acknowledge the loss we have born. 50,000, that's almost half the number of soldiers we lost in world war i. it's about an eighth of the military people that we lost in world war ii. this is already a major event in american history and it is so important for a president to convey the fact that he understands not only his own responsibility, but how terrible this is, because it's a sign of how hard a president i

i want to add presidential historician michael beschloss. i want to add you in.se science and put that in the mix in order to reopen the economy in a safe way and not have further outbreaks. here is the people who listen to donald trump. this is in minnesota. this was one of these protests, these, you know, made-up protests. take a listen to this. >> i want to get going for the economy. this whole thing is a hoax. this whole propaganda, it's a made-up thing by the w.h.o., by the cdc, bill gates. do you want someone to put in a chip in your hand add track you? if that's what you like, go with that. maybe you with see from the backseat and how how that works for you. >> this sounds a bit off-key here. he thinking they're going to put a microchip. essential he's willing to die for the economy. what is this? >> and if he doesn't like big brother, how about when donald trump said as a president he has total authority and total power. you've got a president who every day says something different. one day he said he had total authority under the constitution, which he d