one of the people who was in the room with the president that, nbc news presidential historian michael beschlosssidents of war. michael, this has been a week in a florida courtroom, we had to have a former president told through federal prosecutors that he is no longer president. joining us now is one of the people who was in the room with the president that, nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. his latest book is presidents of war. michael, this has been a week in a florida courtroom, we had to have a former president told through federal prosecutors that he is no longer president. and we just saw the president of the united states go to philadelphia, where this democracy was born, to fight for the continuing life of the democracy. >> right. right, wonderful to see you sir. on such a historic night. you are absolutely right, lawrence. you know, it's almost impossible to think of those two scenes in the same week. let's start with donald trump and the fbi search. here is an example of someone who took all of these documents to florida, as far as we, now the information in them may

please join me in welcoming melody barnes, michael beschloss, ryan williams and the director of the lbj library, mark willens. >> thank you, mark. thanks so much to the miller center for this wonderful partnership, that has resulted in this terrific new website that makes available more widely, and with more contacts than ever for these remarkable telephone recordings from the johnson presidency. i now have the huge privilege of welcoming three extraordinary individuals. who are going to help us think about these conversations and think about the 36 president of the united states and the times in which he lived. it is truly a dream team of commentators to help us with this task. i want, first of all, to welcome melody barnes, who is that dorothy danforth professor and co-director of the democracy initiative at the university of virginia. melody served as a senior domestic policy adviser to president obama, and in 2020, hosted the award winning podcast, lbj and the great society, a project that made very extensive use of the lgbt recordings. next, i would like to welcome michael beschlos

let's bring in nbc news presidential historian, michael beschloss. michael, always good to see you.ascination with the monarchy. what does it tell us about our own culture? >> well, just as you're saying, alicia, we've always been torn. since the time of our, founding our fandos thought maybe we should i have a president but maybe he should be called your majesty. that was suggested for george washington and john adams, to give them authority and make him more of a chief of state. then in thomas jefferson high school, resets, why did we fight the revolution? it was not to have a president called your majesty. and i come from chicago, in the 1920s as a mayor of chicago called big bill thompson. irish american, didn't like the way that the irish had been treated by the british. also many americans were angry about having fought world war i. some said for the benefit of the british royal family. so, big bill thompson in chicago said, if the king of and whatever comes to chicago, he said i'm going to punch him in the nose. that got him a lot of votes. but then came world war ii. the bra

one of the people who was in the room with the president that, nbc news presidential historian michael beschlosst book is presidents of war. michael, this has been a week in a florida courtroom, we had to have a former president told through federal prosecutors that he is no longer president. and we just saw the president of the united states go to philadelphia, where this democracy was born, to fight for the continuing life of the democracy. >> right. right, wonderful to see you sir. on such a historic night. you are absolutely right, lawrence. you know, it's almost impossible to think of those two scenes in the same week. let's start with donald trump and the fbi search. here is an example of someone who took all of these documents to florida, as far as we, now the information in them may have been given to foreign governments, to terrorist, gone those who, there are laws against that. he told the government that he had set everything back. there is a serious chance tonight that he is going to be liable to being charged with obstruction of justice and things that are worse. and then on the oth

nbc news presidential historian, michael beschloss.with you because i was just reading the piece you wrote for the guardian, which i found very provocative and interesting about the sort of specific role that the queen played and the challenge ahead. tell me more about that. >> i think somebody else wrote it, i had written a piece for the guardian. -- >> i apologize. >> i had to take credit, it was a good piece, chris. >> i was just reading it about, basically here's what i've been struck by. >> it was jonathan freeman and it's a wonderful piece. >> that's right, you had just tweeted. it >> about basically the role she played as a figure of public order and how that is not, you know, that has to be cultivated and something she was very focused on cultivating. and had a very profound role, and does not necessarily just come with the crown. >> i thought that was an important point. i mean, she came to the throne because the monarchy had gone through crisis after her uncle advocated and her father had to take over as king, and there were

. >>> joining us now, author and presidential historian michael beschloss and former secretary of state foreign affairs of the united kingdom, david millieband and president of the international rescue committee and it is good to have you with us. >> it's a side note. all morning we've been saying every u.s. president except lyndon johnson and i can't help but think of a story that roy jenkins told of foreign secretary rab butler coming to washington and lbj holding dollars over his head thinking he was humiliated him and roy jenkins said he spent the rest of his life retelling the story chortling, laughing and mocking lbj. not a lot of love lost between britain and lbj. but for the other presidents, an extraordinary legacy starting with truman. and we lost his audio. all right. here is a good lead up. david, a special relationship, talk about the queen. >> she did the impossible. she united a nation that has been fractious and divided and argumentative. across the u.k., she managed to ensure that she legitimatized political division by symbolizing national unity. and fact that you have

if we go back to 1860, as michael beschloss just did, and then he won the election.macists rejected that. they called themselves democrats them, they call themselves maga republicans now. but white receptionists rejected the results of the election in 1860 and started a war. so i go back to biden's speech which was generally great to call these people out. but when he says he will not stand by and watch as elections are stolen and watches peoples voting rights are taken, well, what does he mean by that? because those rights are being taken. >> clare, what do you think about the prospects now for these midterms, given everything that we have seen over the last summer which, i think, has been head snapping in some ways because the kicks seem very big. the structural factors, the history, the gas prices, all of it. we are on your terrain right now. well how do you see it? >> i think it's a jump off. i think anybody who is watching tonight needs to realize that there is lots of people that need to volunteer, and there's lots of people that need to drive five or $10 to gi

michael beschloss -- folks, please tune into what he is doing on peacock, fireside history.u love this, you love that. >> thank you so much, my honor. >> absolutely. we've got a big show ahead, folks. we're just getting started. he is a key figure in a state at the center of partisan politics. i'm talking about none other than atlanta mayor andrej dickens. he's making his symone debut today. plus, my political panelist coming back. we've got more on the midterms and lgbtq+ community harnessing the political power. but first jessica layton is here for today's top news stories. we are watching a lot of stories for you this hour. the airport employee who police say stole a plane and threatened to crash into a warm out appeared in court today. he faces charges of grand larceny and making terroristic threats. tuesday marks the first day back to school for students and faculty and uvalde texas. more than three months after the horrible mass shooting that took the lives of more than 19 kids and two teachers. the school district has installed several key security upgrades, like stee

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brian williams, michael beschloss, melody barnes, welcome and thank you so much for being here. now of course we want to play some of these types get your reactions to them. but let's talk a moment about what these are and why they were made they have come to light over the year. and michael, i think your experience with the case back at least in the 1990s if not further back pretty can you talk a little bit about how you first discovered the tape and little bit about how they came to light over the years that followed. michael: yes, i was having dinner with my friends and i always say, with joe dimaggio of presidential library directors i think markey would agree with that read and this was about 1993 or 1994 as having dinner with him and the jockey club in washington. and the owner date longer time aid in public service in other ways. caribbean talking to me about these types they said know they existed and i said, i had heard that he had made some of those conversations but how many could be actually taped. and harry said, will over 700 hours and they go from the beginning of

want to bring in michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian to talk more about this.iated it. >> thank you! >> how important was that tribute, among so many others we saw following the attacks on this country? on 9/11. and especially with the uk cementing our friendship. >> well, i'm so glad that you brought up that moment. because it said so much. because 9/11 was the second time in american history that the united states of america had been directly attacked by foreign invaders. and where the foreign invaders? they were the british, with whom we fought the war of 1812. they attacked washington, d.c., burned at the capitol, burned the white house in august of 1814. so, it was both ironic and had huge meaning that the queen says, play the star-spangled banner europe buckingham palace. well, star-spangled banner, was written after the battle of baltimore in september of 1814. it was written to commemorate the american defeat of the british in that battle. so, if you needed a statement, and we really didn't because we knew the british were by our side, that was a statem

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michael beschloss, thank you very much. chris we will be coming back to us from london, up next, we will take a closer look at all the protocols involved as president biden prepares to join other leaders, for the funeral -- funeral of queen elizabeth. we will be right back. ht back. we are back live in london. and just over a week, heads of states and diplomats from across the globe, will head to the 90 kingdom for arguably the most monumental state funeral and recent history. for those attending, it will be president biden. >> right if you are younger than 70 years old, there has not been a funeral for british sovereign, in your lifetime. so what goes into the planning of these state visits? a peek behind the curtain, is ambassador patricia marshall, former united states chief of protocol, under president obama. ambassador, marshall, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. first off, explain to viewers, what your job was, as chief of protocol? >> it's a pleasure to be here with you jonathan, and chris. the offic

joining us now is nbc news presidential historian in michael beschloss. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. great to see you, alex. >> so, michael, take a senate timing back to the 1990s. bill clinton's and his buddy, taylor branch, are sitting in the west wing making tapes to be used and some forthcoming autobiography of some sort. can you contrast that with trump's alleging regarding these classified documents he scrawled away at mar-a-lago? >> sure. i've even talked to bill clinton and taylor branch about those tapes. they specifically, bill clinton said, these are private records sitting beside. if you've got a president, for instance, who sends love letters to his wife, are those protection? or convict judicial watch subpoena that is and publish them in the newspapers while the president to serving? of course not. and the same way, donald trump has absolutely no right to say that highly classified documents with, let's, a nuclear secrets, if that's what these are, or lists of friends of cia agents in foreign countries, or other things that can be used to h

back with us tonight author and historian, presidential historian michael beschloss. s latest work is presidents of war. michael, great to see you. as one of the historians who warned president biden about a teetering democracy how did he do last night? >> i think he did great. and by the way i should mention, we historians, we are not asked to give political advice. this was a month ago. we were asked to come and talk to the president about democracy. which for five of us did for about two hours. and what president biden, i think did last night's, it's one of the highest calling's of the president can do. and that is to warn americans when democracy is in danger. that's what abraham lincoln did in 1860, on the eve of the civil war. that's what frank roosevelt in the 1930s when there were fascists, like farther charles --. the radio priest who was preaching the need for a christian republic. he said there should be boycotts of jewish businesses. that you didn't need elections. roosevelt was saying pashes am is a bad thing. some people don't like to hear what a presiden

joining us now is nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. ael, thank you for being here. >> my pleasure, it's great to see you, alex. >> you as well. >> michael, take us in that time machine back to the 1990s. bill clinton and his buddy, taylor branch, or sitting in the west wing, making tapes to be used in some forthcoming autobiography of some sort. can you contrast that with what trump is alleging, we are getting these classified documents he had squirrel away at mar-a-lago? >> sure. i have even talked to bill clinton and taylor branch about those tapes. and they specifically, bill clinton, said these are private records, and said -- if you've got a president, for instance, who sends love letters to his wife, aren't those protected? or can judicial watch subpoena those and publish them in the newspapers while a president is serving? of course not. and in the same way, donald trump has absolutely no right to say that highly classified documents with, let's say, nuclear secrets if that's, what these are. or lists of friends of cia agents and

joining me now, kristin welker, michael beschloss and mark landler. the president has been briefed about the queen's health. >> reporter: we just learned that moments ago from john kirby, let me read you what he had to say. it's worth noting the president this morning was holding a call with u.s. allies to discuss ukraine. this was raised during that call, according to kirby. he said, his and the first lady's thoughts are with the queen and her family. the president did in that video conference that the president is having, as this conversation was going on, convey to the prime minister truss, who was on the video conference, that he and dr. biden are thinking of the queen and the people of the united kingdom. this does come as you point out, president biden met with the queen last year. it was his first meeting with her as president. it was significant, because it came at a time when he was there for the g7 summit, but also when he was trying to reinforce the united states appliances. that reinforced what has been referred to so many times as a speci

one of the examples, michael beschloss, was george w. bush who said in 2000 -- >> no nation -- >> that america was going to have a humble foreign policy. >> right. >> that it was really more of a domestic focus of the agenda. then there was 9/11 and, of course, george bush and the entire government had to respond in several ways. joe biden, likewise, wanted to bring this country together. talked about that. he has been able to work with the other side in a way we haven't seen in about 20 years. that said, when you have united states senators that are talking about republican riots in the streets, talking about violence if the law is enforced, joe biden is pushed to a position, is he not, where he doesn't have any choice but to speak out against the calls for violence and civil war. i think you're right, joe. good morning, mika, as well. we are in a situation where we are talking about historical parallels. in 1960, we were on the precipice of civil war. very different from where we are in 2022. but this specter of looming violence. 1940,

leading off our discussion tonight is michael beschloss, presidential historian, joan wine-banks who served as assistant watergate prosecutor, and -- former federal prosecutor. they are both msnbc legal analysts. it's good to have all three of you with us. michael, i think you're the perfect person to start on with this because as i was, you're the historian here, you give us a sense of how this arc of history is bending. can you tell us in your assessment of how we are doing on that arc of history tonight? >> absolutely, i would be happy to. i hope you don't mind my starting, ayman, by noting my friends jill and paul, the three of us are all from chicago. so tonight we're hearing the voices of mid america, i think my friends will agree. and having that said, i think democracy is more in danger than it has been since 1860, at the beginning of the civil war. late 1930s when this country was in danger of fascist leaders and politicians, and fascism abroad. hitler, i'm selina, in japanese, but at the same time, i agree with what you said at the beginning. let's take a victory lap tonight

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let's go to nbc news historian michael beschloss. why does this loss extend far beyond the uk?ctly right, lester. we've talked about how much queen elizabeth brought to british history and the last seven decades of what's happened in england, but the same is true for the world and certainly for the united states. we've gone through a stush lent time in the last ten years and one of the fixed points in our world has been queen elizabeth with that fund of experience that goes back to the 1930s, the great depression, world war ii, she met eleanor roosevelt, harry truman, and most of all, each of those presidents who have met with queen elizabeth even when she was a princess, she was in a position to say, well, you know, this problem in the cold war reminds me of something that eleanor roosevelt told me, or this problem in the economy of the 1990s reminds me of something that winston churchill told me after world war ii. that'sael. thank you. let me bring in nbc news british historian andrew roberts. great to have you

. >> i want to bring into our conversation michael beschloss, presidential historian. with you, i want to look back with the queen's relationship with our presidents, 14 of them. kristen welker has done an incredible piece of reporting on just that. let's take a look. >> she's danced with presidents, ridden with them, celebrated with commander in chiefs, mourned and of course, shared plenty of meals. queen elizabeth, in fact, meeting every single serving american president except lyndon johnson since 1951. >> harry truman was her first presidential visit as a 25-year-old princess representing her father, the king during a u.s. visit. ♪♪ ♪ >> she came back in 1957, now as queen. >> i also want to say how much i appreciate the warmth and friendliness of your reception. >> receiving an all-american welcome, a state dinner hosted by president eisenhower and a ticker tape parade in new york. queen elizabeth always appearing to take eager in take part in american traditions and charming the public along the way, watching a baseball game with the first president bush. >> it w

michael beschloss was one of them. id, does this moment in america remind you of anything in american history? i said this reminded me of 1860, when we were on the precipice of civil war, 1940, when americans were choosing whether or not to stand up to hitler. i believe this is a year that may have a lot to do with whether america is a democracy in two years. great presidents in history, if they feel that we're at a major turning point, such as whether we're going to be a democracy or not, the president makes that clear. laura: beschloss said biden's new language has a specific historical lineage among past presidents. michael: joe biden is primed to educate people that much of what they're seeing politically is not just a feature of 2022, but something that goes back in history, especially to the 1930's, when father charles coughlin, the radio priest and othe said america can do without elections. there should be big regimentation, there should be little separation between church and state, and the official religion sh

michael beschloss. >> i would love it. >>> this afternoon, as crowds gather in london, you saw this,news of the queen's health and double rainbow appearing over buckingham palace and an hour later, the palace announced she had died for a monarchy steeped in symbolism, some said this is a sign that queen elizabeth and philip were together again prince philip died last april. they were married a short 73 years. longer than anyone else in the history of the monarchy. with more than their decades long love story. here is kelly cobiella >> reporter: a lifetime of royal celebrations and scandals. weddings and funerals. >> he has simply been my strength and stay all these years. >> reporter: their early story was a fairy tale elizabeth still a princess saw philip when she was just 13. >> elizabeth saw the 18-year-old 6-foot tall and handsome he was nicknamed the viking. she fell head over heels in love with him >> reporter: the school girl crush blossomed in a romance world war ii kept them apart they managed to stay in touch by mail. >> he was fighting on pretty much all of the naval front

folks elected, michael beschloss, thank you for letting your as but expertise as well as claire mccaskill and elie mystal. appreciate you both being here. this is all for tonight. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. >>>w. good evening, chris. great coverage as always. we're excited to have a live interview tonight with the newest democrat elected to congress, last night mary peltola defeated sarah palin in the alaska election for the election, we will have the latestve coming up. >>> and donald trump lawyers faced off with the department of justice tonight. >>> we start tonight withwi a stark warning from the president of the united states. >> too much of what is happening in our country today is not normal. donald trump and the maga republicans represent an extremismes that threatens the very foundation of our republic. there's no question that the republican party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by donald trump and the maga republicans. and that is a threat to this country. maga republicans do not respect the constitution. they do not believe in the rule

we do know and michael beschloss was talking about this in the last hour, there were presidents not so happy when they saw the unveiling. >> both of them are very pleased with the portraits and i think mostly they're enthusiastic knowing now on when guests coal through the white house, they'll see the incredible portraits and making this the people's house, incredible eight years of service to our country and the story that tells how it reflects so well on our country. proud moment for them. i'm honored to be here. i've just left so many of our alumni with which i had the prif -- privilege for eight years. >> let me ask you about another side of this. there were reports as extensive story "the washington post" about tensions among members of the two administrations. and i want to read part of it. it says quote, some biden loyalists are resentful that obama didn't throw his weight behind biden's presidential aspirations claiming now obama's team does not fully respect biden. obama loyalists are frustrated biden's aides regularly boast they avoid the mistakes of the obama white house lik

carrie kaye on the nation mourning and michael beschloss on the historic legacy of a 70-year reign., as the justice department cites national security risks in appealing the special master ruling. plus, steve bannon in handcuffs inside a new york co

good evening alex, we have stacey abrams, james clyburn, michael beschloss, to talk about biden's speechened in that courtroom in florida today, on the question of can a special master get in there, we're gonna take a look at those talking, those were gonna have our legal team go over it. >> i love it, and i can't wait to see, it have a great show lawrence. >> thank you alex. well, a federal judge who in moscow joined the federalist society, an organization created to deliver right-wing judges to the federal judiciary.

. >> michael beschloss joins us now. using the word unprecedented for events involving the former president has been overworked, perhaps cliche. but this is extraordinary to see this kind of civil suit against the former president. >> it sure is. anyone who knows the history not of the presidency, but of crime in america, knows that al capone, what he went down for was tax fraud. many counts of it. as i heard the attorney general of new york talking about what donald trump is accused of, some of the language reminded me of the capone trial of the 1930s. there's still a long way to go. we're not certain that any of these people are going to be guilty of this, either the former president or his family or his executives or his company. but if they are, it really calls a question that's poignantly said, whatever you think of donald trump, and that is, we love our american political system. under our american political system, if donald trump committed these offenses against the united states and against the law for decades,

goodgood evening alex, we have stacey abrams, james clyburn, michael beschloss, to talk about biden speech we will begin with what happened in that courtroom in florida today, t

joining me now, carol lee as well as michael beschloss.ouse. we have seen the portraits of the obamas for the smithsonian. there's the portrait of the former president. they were not conventional. there was some debate about them. what do we know about the white house portraits and the celebration we expect to see? >> about the portraits, not much. it's a secretive process. they start going -- working about choosing an artist and getting things underway. that is kept secret. there are times where a president or a first lady will look at a portrait and not like it. they have to redo it. it can go on for several years. that's what happened here. this one went on a little longer than is typically the case. it's been about five years. typically, this is something that would have happened during former president obama's immediate successor's final year in office. that didn't happen. neither the obamas nor trumps were interested in having an event like that. as you said, it's a celebratory moment. it brings together staff that worked in the whit

joining me is presidential historian michael beschloss. what are your thoughts? >> i said she said it right by the way. >> you're being way too kind, my friend. >> only truth on this network. you were talking and kristen was talking about all those presidents over 70 years there was one that never met with her and that was lyndon johnson. i thought i'll dispel the mystery of why johnson was sitting this out. it was not that he was an anti-monarchist. quite the opposite. he was opposite. he was somewhat monarchical himself. johnson became president 1963 after kennedy's assassination and as a point of pride, he said i'm not going to leave the united states for at least a year while i consolidate my presidency. then after that came the vietnam war, the prime minister wilson was against much of the vietnam war and johnson was told that if he ever went to london, there would be an anti war demonstration that would close down the city. there was one exception, but otherwise, these great relationships for 70 years with american presidents. >> she had a very famous meeti

tim, michael beschloss.f looking at the last ten days and especially today is as the queen's autobiography. so what was on display? certainly her modesty in kindness, but also i would say her fierceness. she was a fierce mother. she was a personal, fierce religious faith and above all, she fiercely was determined that the united kingdom and the monarchy would survive and prevail. we saw all of that during these last ten days. >> and michael, just to follow up on that. what these rituals have brought home is how important the liturgy, certainly the church services because she was a woman of such great faith and believed that it was a divine of kings and queens. >> right. >> and the fact that these are the rituals, the traditions that go back centuries that really bring this kingdom together. so despite all of the political and pandemic and brexit and everything that the new king has to overcome, those critical problems and a new prime minister and of course inflation, which is sky rocketing out of control and

jelani cobb, and michael beschloss a slice the status of the battle -- two months away from the criticalb featuring the one and only margaret atwood. we begin this hour with a sometimes controversial presidential power. the power of the pardon. u.s. constitution bestows a handful of races the american president. one of which is the quote power to grant reprieve and pardons for offenses against the united states, and quote. which seem callous presidents over the centuries you see this -- authority for good. often giving mercy to those who are wrongfully committed or convicted or in more modern times, those who were simply railroaded by the criminal justice system. but like almost all legal and constitutional norms in this country, this one has been complicated in the era of donald trump. let's be clear, donald trump did not issue a lot of pardons. in fact, he issued fewer than most other

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we watched the events of january 6th and, you know, there was actually this observation by michael beschlossbeen foreshadowed by every day of this presidency, and i think if you go back to january 20th, 2017, you really begin to see the through lines. there's a lot of after the fact rationalizations, people like bill barr who say, well, you know, he really went too far after the election. but anybody who i think closely observed trump from the beginning, it's hard to see january 6th as anything other than the violent culmination of what he was doing for four years. >> so, peter, first of all, congrats to you and susan on the book. donald trump was shall we say an unconventional foreign policy president, and there is so much about his meetings with putin in helsinki, his efforts to walk out of nato. this headline, which took my breath away, when i read it over the weekend, that he nearly gave away the west bank. tell us how that could have happened. >> yeah, no, that's right. one thing about doing this book is we built on the work of all of our incredible colleagues, including your great book