purposes, my opponents youth and inexperience. >> i want to bring in nbc presidential historian michael beschloss22. 2023. both using humor to deflect questions about their age. was it effective for reagan and could it be for biden? >> shirt was affective reagan. in fact, -- his opponent and he told me years later, you just saw the clip right there, that after reagan made that joke, mondale knew how effective that would be and he said to himself, any chance i had of winning the presidency just ended with rec and making that joke -- >> wow. wow, wow wow. there is a long way to go to election day. 2024. but we could be headed for the first presidential rematch since 1956. he pointed this out on twitter. what could history tell us then, about what rematch looks like in 2024, understanding there are an incredible set of variables in this specific race? >> well, i think historically you begin with the fact that if you and i were talking and i wish we had, let's say, about the 18th of january, 2021, which would have been what, 12 days after the january 6th insurrection, republican leaders, including ke

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where's michael beschloss on this?well, the august historians always telling us about, you know, the architecture of our democracy, our democratic norms. is that a democratic norm, silencing the other party's main presidential candidate on pain of going to jail. but they like the power and they're going to continue to exercise it until somebody stops them. today, the mayor of new york city, a grave disappointment we thought would be a good mayor, hasn't been a good mayor. it's sad. so to divert attention from his own ineptitude and the hours he spends in bars at night, he's now decided to become a political celebrity. so he's now threatening to jail a member of congress, marjorie taylor greene, if she dares to protest donald trump's arraignment in a way that he doesn't like. watch us . >> while there may be some rabble rousers thinking about coming to our city tomorrow, a message is clear and simple. control yourselves. >> new york city is our home, not a playground for your misplaced anger, people like marjorie taylor

and so in 1998, labor day, 1998, our friend michael beschloss and i went up to walker's to interview the president, former president and brant scowcroft, about a book they'd written about foreign. and in about 7 minutes, i thought oh, if you're going to put the fate of your nation in someone's hands a nuclear age. that's pretty good set of hands. and it was a visceral reaction because george h.w. bush had, a kind of quiet persiste charisma. it was not bill, it was not john kennedy's, but it was this sense that he was interested in. you in a genuine way. it wasn't put on exactly. and he had these big hands. and this is a case of plutarch and being in the room with him. and he was he was a lefty and he talked with the big hand. he talked with his hand and i thought there's some gap here between, you know, somebody out this drama, the the bush drama, and then being the room with him and, you know, he was tall and big, tall. and the bush family was very important. and he used to call people little guy like gorbachev. yeah, good little guy. and the challenge to your question, panel, the c

to put this day in a historical context, we're joined by presidential historian michael beschloss.o have you here. donald trump's arraignment was routine on one hand, not unlike the hundreds of other arraignments around new york city in a given day, but it was surreal, it was significant, it was breathtaking. what do you make of this extraordinary moment in history? >> i've been studying presidents for all these decades and i thought i was prepared and i really wasn't. whether you like donald trump or not, whether he is proven guilty or not, this was a painful day. to see an american president now retired, may be temporarily, maybe not, in the courtroom with the possibility of going to prison, that is something we have never seen before in all of american history in that courtroom has seen a lot of mobsters and major criminals. it was painful to see donald trump in that same place. geoff: while other democratically elected leaders around the world have faced prosecution in israel, italy, france, south korea, american presidents have always seemed to occupy this exalted realm where

but, you know there's this there's this great quote from, michael beschloss, that we use, i think in the very first paragraph of the book, talking about an afternoon of january six. and he is responding to people who are like, oh, you know, this is crazy. and he said and he's absolutely correct on the afternoon of january six, he tweeted this moment, meaning january six, this foreshadowed by every single day of the trump presidency and. you know, that's, i think, right on the mark. i mean, to use just one example that you threw out the muslim called the muslim ban and to get at that sense of just how institutions and also process was challenged. because we all i think out here in among the citizens citizenry we're just thinking a muslim ban and immediately reacting to that. but what's so interesting about the book and maybe you could talk about this is, well, how does it actually he declares it what what was the process of that and different was it from the way you know, a law ordinarily or an executive order would ordinarily be carried out? yeah, it was a case study in it. just how

to put this day in a historical context, we're joined by presidential historian michael beschloss.reat to have you here. donald trump's arraignment today on the one hand, it was routine, it was not like the hundreds of other arraignments that happen across new york city on a given day. on the other hand, it was surreal, it was significant, it was breathtaking in its consequence. what do you make of this extorted a moment in american history -- extraordinary moment in american history? michael: i have been studying presidents for all these decades and ihought i would be prepared for today and i really wasn't. whether you like donald trump or not, whether he is proven guilty or not, this was a painful day. for the first time in over two centuries to see in american president, now retired, maybe temporarily, maybe not, in the courtroom with the possibility of going to prison -- that is something we've never seen before in all of american history. that courtroom has seen a lot of mobsters and major criminals. it was painful to see donald trump in that same place. geoff: on that point,

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