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joining me now the one and only michael beschloss.ting hit war on both one election. i was concerned with what that means about donald trump that i am with the fact there are so many americans who don't seem to find that to be a deal breaker. >> i totally agree with you. think of any time in modern history when a front runner for that republican presidential nomination, let alone someone who already served as president, used language that is obviously taken out of mein kampf, written by hitler when he was in prison in 1924, and by the way hitler was in prison for trying an insurrection against the democracy of germany, incidentally. and the other the, you were reporting earlier in this program, which shocked me to the shoes. in iowa, our nbc poll said 42% said such language would make caucus goers on the republican side more likely to support trump. 28% said it didn't matter. that's 70% saying this is no big deal. this is a change. ten years ago, if a republican front runner for a president said such a thing, other republican leaders

we'll get into it with our story with michael beschloss. the 11th hour is just getting underway on a friday night. >>> polling in next year's presidential election shows a close race between joe biden and donald trump, but polls cannot tell the whole story. my colleague spoke to iran table a democratic voters in michigan. >> so, show of hands, who is decided on who they will vote for in 2024? okay, so three out of five of you. >> when it comes to democrats, i just don't really see anyone who really feels like they would be a strong pick, who is running. i just cannot, voting for biden would be voting for against myself. >> are you seeing at this point, you are planning to vote for president biden but reluctantly? >> very reluctantly. >> biden trump, biden desantis, any republican, there's no way i will vote republican. but, reluctantly, i will vote biden. >> why reluctantly? >> i don't, i really don't agree with his dealings with the middle east right now. i can't support anyone who has a hand in support of a genocide, even though it does n

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michael beschloss, this is the challenge. joe biden is slowed down by politics and bureaucracy by the slowing mechanisms in the united states senate, which means you need 60 votes to get things. people don't understand that. they just know he can't get what he wants, whereas trump says i'm going to ban all muslims, he banned all muslims. trump says i'm going to build a wall, he pretends i built a wall. trump says i'm going to rip babies away from their mothers if they come over the border, and suddenly, babies are ripped out of their mothers' hands at the border. his autocracy is efficient. a lot of people say i would rather have that and he's funny. >> that's right, and i'm hoping against hope that by 11 months from now, even mr. monk and other people who are saying things like this will understand that the choice of november 2024 is most likely going to be between democracy as flawed and faltering as it is, and dictatorship, autocracy that are going to take our rights away. look at the reaction of women and men to the cance

michael beschloss, nbc news historian.l butler, georgetown law professor and msnbc legal analyst. errin haines, editor at large for the 19th and an msnbc political contributor, and david jolly, former republican congressman who is no longer, for some reason, we cannot discern affiliated with the party. this is like a friends and family night. it is so great to have all of you here, and these two gentlemen with me here at the table. happy holidays to all. >> thank you, merry christmas. >> the happy is in scare quotes this year. it's a difficult year, and we're rounding it down this year. i want to start with you, paul. on these threats. are these threats legally actionable? colorado supreme court justices, read a little bit more. this is one more of the threats that after disqualifying donald trump from the ballot, some of these colorado justices got. what do you call seven justices from the colorado supreme court at the bottom of the ocean? asked another user, a good start. post noted a variety of methods that could be use

renowned presidential historian michael beschloss, will tell us, when we come back.>> getting sick and tired of cold and flu products that don't work? biovanta is the only number one physician-recommended product chosen over all others, including tylenol, mucinex, zicam, and nyquil / dayquil. the combat symptoms and boosts immunity. biovanta really works. getting sick and tired of cold and flu products that don't work? biovanta is the only number one physician-recommended product chosen over all others, including tylenol, mucinex, zicam, and nyquil / dayquil. the combat symptoms and boosts immunity. biovanta really works. >> 2023 was another unprecedented year in news and politics, from how speaker chaos to the former presidents multiple indictment. as we head into a critical election year who better to talk to about it all and presidential historian and author of the book presidents of war, michael beschloss. michael, always great to see you, thank you for coming to the program. >> thank you, my friend. >> if you were to write a book, summarizing 2023, what major st

michael beschloss is nbc news presidential historian. and msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin joins me here in new york. it is good to have all of you. monica, she was truly a unique figure in history and the ceremony seemed to reflect that. tell us more about it. >> reporter: absolutely. i think you got there from president biden's comments that there was also this levity, there was, of course, in remembering her remarkable life, looking back at some of these lighter moments perhaps and we got a sense of that as well from chief justice john roberts, who really talked about his long relationship knowing sandra day o'connor, he was somebody who in the department of justice in 1981 helped to prepare sandra day o'connor for her confirmation hearing in the reagan administration and he told a story about what then happened when sandra day o'connor was going through the process of learning that john roberts himself was going to be appointed to the bench. listen to how he told that story. >> reporters asked her what she thought of the nomination. sh

. >> michael beschloss, as a guy thinks about this economically, if you just look at the math -- but as rachel pointed out earlier, historically, this is a thing, politicians in america have capitalized on anti-american immigrant sentiment when every group of immigrants have come into this country. and it has been done to effect in the past. it's been done in america in the past and certainly be down as you and i have discussed by dictators and authoritarians in other parts of the world. why is donald trump, other than the fact that it has worked in the past, what do you think is behind this increasing volume in the rhetoric, the racist rhetoric that donald trump is using? >> i agree with you that donald trump probably has not read the history of the know nothings in the mid 19th century that campaigned against immigrants and catholics and certainly did not like black people and certainly did not like jewish people. all that is also true of the ku klux klan at its height in the 19 twenties. yes, i will concede that donald trump has not read that history, but he does know that this wo

joining me is nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. we pulled the dream team to talk about this tonight i'm going to let you talk your reaction to the stunning development in american history? >> well, the constitution and our democracy has been called the most brilliant system devised for self-government in the history of the world, and, you know, maybe that does not turn out to be so wrong in the end. you know, democracy does heal itself. let's go back into the history machine. von and you and melissa have been talking and the others have been, andrew as well, about the fact that certainly the united states supreme court will consider this decision by colorado to throw trump off the presidential ballot. i would like to suggest two moments in history that should shed some light on that. 2000, you know, today just this morning, with the memorial service for sandra day o'connor, who serve on the court in december 2000, when it considered the deadlock in florida over bush v. gore and whether a recount should go ahead that would possibly

they can -- as michael beschloss said, they can be the court that nixon is not above the law or the courtt decided the 2000 election. it's truly up to them. but congressman jamie raskin, always a pleasure to be able to speak with you. thank you so much for your time. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. >>> let's bring in noah bookminder, president of crew, citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. and elle, justice correspondent for the nation. thank you all for being here. i do want to start with you. congratulations on a very important legal victory. it is not the first however for your organization. we did mention the founder of cowboys for trump who was also removed from office under these measures. and we know that prior to -- after the civil war, 14 united states senators, i have a list right in front of me, were expelled from the united states senate based on this. can you anticipate now that there have been two courts that found that donald trump did commit insurrection, colorado supreme court and the district court, can you envision how the supreme court could wriggle out o

with us now is nbc news white house correspondent monica alba, laura jarrett and michael beschloss. president biden talked about an era of civility that we don't see anymore. >> exactly. harkening back to that, praising the late justice, especially for being so devoted, the president said, and understanding her influence, the power that she held but never doing it for the sake of that power. he really spoke to the barriers that she broke, of course, remarking on how incredible it was that she was the first woman to sit on the high court. but that she had broken barriers before that. he was even impressed with her when she appeared before the judiciary committee for her confirmation hearings where he was the ranking member and the top democrat. he even went back to some words that she had in her opening statement and throughout that process saying really that he felt and understood why she had been regarded as a person for all seasons. somebody who was a legislator and a lawmaker before she was on the supreme court, and she's the last to be holding that kind of service and responsibi

michael beschloss is the presidential historian and they join me now.4th amendment question. and the sort of debate over it. and i think there are some interesting, and there's certainly novel legal issues. just your perspective as a historian on this moment and this question now before the high court and in some ways before the country about what to do about what appears to be a plain text that puts him outside of the boundaries of acceptable candidates, basically, to hold office, and the sort of democratic imperative to let voters choose. >> yeah, that's what i think. i mean if you just read that language it says, you know, people who were engaged in insurrection or rebellion, you know, shall not serve in federal office. and then you go back to the debate in congress at the time that amendment was discussed. they were very specifically essentially saying this is my language not theirs, but for four years there was a violent insurrection against the united states of america, our union of states. that was put down. they wanted to make sure anyone who ha

workers, and from republicans formal impeachment inquiry to stalled aid to israel and it crane, michael beschlosso perspective. then, looking back at americ