michael. and also with me, stephanie rawlings-blake, the former democratic mayor of baltimore in a foreign public defender fallings, break, you know, i i know i said it with a bit of tone and my voice because i am a little perplexed, i don't know what 53-year-old woman would wear. her father would be the one that knows when she begins dating somebody or what she's doing while she's dating somebody? makes no sense at all, but yet they bring her father to the stand and yesterday she had to go into extremely intimate details about her personal life or love life. and now her father was then asked about those things as well. is it does it seem incredible to you >> it seems heartbreaking, horrible. i mean, dating is hard, especially for women who choose public service i know that this hearing, these questions, watching her being questioned, watching her father being questioned, is going to be a chilling effect for women who were considering public service. it was heartbreaking to see her father have to answer those questions, especially if you know anything about conservative african-americans in the s