now we take you to miami and the national hurricane center and michael brennan. >> good afternoon. this is mike brennan at the national hurricane center with your 2:00 p.m. central daylight time update on hurricane harvey. we have data from the hurricane hunter aircraft. it's a major hurricane. 120 miles per hour winds. harvey is located about 75 miles southeast of corpus christi, texas. the eye is becoming apparent. we can see the eye as it makes its approach to the middle texas coast. while harvey will make landfall in the middle texas coast late tonight, early saturday morning, bringing the core that is dangerous, major hurricane force winds on land. we're seeing sustained tropical force winds. sustained winds in the last hour of 49 miles per hour with higher wind gusts. we can see the multiple rain bands spreading on shore. over the next 12 to 24 hours, harvey will make landfall and should progress slowly inland over the middle texas coast and then basically stall out for several days. the biggest hazard that we're concerned about in the very short term is life threatening stor

chief specialist at the hurricane center michael brennan. it's forecasted as a light threatening storm. i remember covering hurricane katrina back in 2005. a lot of people measure hurricanes against katrina. i remember how large it was. you could view it from space. it was perhaps more massive than what we're looking at now, but this is something people really have to take seriously. >> yes. you know, every hurricane has its own unique hazards with it and harvey has three life-threatening hards associated with it. harvey is centered about 100 miles southeast of corpus christi and 100 mile-an-hour winds. moving onshore within the warning area, late tonight, early tomorrow, bringing strong perhaps major hurricane winds to portions of the middle texas coast. in addition to that, the storm surge hazard, warning, in this dark pink area from north of brownsville to galveston island and the boulevard peninsula. this is life-threatening storm surge. water moving in from the ocean as the hurricane makes landfall, could see 6 to 12 feet of flooding. i

let's bring in michael brennan from the national hurricane center. michael, give us a sense of how things are going from your standpoint with this storm. what are you watching right now, what are you most concerned about? >> we're starting to see harvey continue to move inland across texas very slowly now. we're seeing the forward motion beginning to decrease and as the winds lowers the storm begins to weaken from a wind perspective the flooding threat will only increase, feeder bands are coming in off the gulf of mexico bringing heavy rain out hundreds of miles away from the center of the storm into the houston/galveston area southwest louisiana and very heavy rain near the core as it moves inland. we've seen widespread rainfall totals of 10 to 15 inches in the corpus christi, victoria area. 5 inches already in houston, so we're really looking at a mul multiday disaster as administrator long mentioned. several days of rain because harvey will meander around the middle and upper texas coast all the way into the middle portions of next week and that's

joining me, michael brennan, chief hurricane specialist for the national hurricane center. chael, we just heard paul talking about this, 47 years since that area has seen a major hurricane, a category three. what are we looking at right now. >> katy, we are looking at a dangerous situation that developed. harvey that maximum winds of 45 miles per hour, expect it to strengthen as it moves in the direction of the middle texas coast, approaching the coast tomorrow night and into friday. there are three main life-threatening hazards we see with harvey. first is the wind. we expect major hurricane winds to come to the texas coast overnight thursday into friday morning. expecting tropical storm force winds to begin to arrive on the coast as we get into the day tomorrow. today is really the day for everybody on the texas coast to prepare. also expecting dangerous storm surge. the national weather service issued storm surge warning, new this year, all the way from port mansfield, texas to high island. much of the texas coast in danger of seeing life threatening inundation from this

let's bring in michael brennan from right now, what are you most concerned about? >> we're starting to see harvey continue to move inland across texas very slowly now. we're seeing the forward motion beginning to decrease and as the winds lowers the storm begins to weaken from a wind perspective the flooding threat will only increase, feeder bands are coming in off the gulf of mexico bringing heavy rain out hundreds of miles away from the center of the storm into the houston/galveston area southwest louisiana and very heavy rain near the core as it moves inland. we've seen widespread rainfall totals of 10 to 15 inches in the corpus christi, victoria area. 5 inches already in houston, so we're really looking at a mul multiday disaster as administrator long mentioned. several days of rain because harvey will meander around the middle and upper texas coast all the way into the middle portions of next week and that's going to lead to very, very high rainfall totals, 25 to 35 inches in areas like houston with isolated totals in some places as high as 40 inches and that'

we want to go to michael brennan, the chief hurricane specialist at the national hurricane center to get the latest on the track of the storm. michael, it's good to have you. what are you seeing at this point? >> right now we're seeing that harvey is continuing to strengthen. we've had reports from the hurricane hunter that max murm winds increased to 110 miles per hour. central pressure has continued to fall. you can see the eye clearly on the radar from brownsville texas. harvey is about 145 miles southeast of corpus christi moving to the northwest at about ten. we expect the storm to approach the coast from port mansfield up to sergeant, texas. that's going to occur late tonight into early tomorrow morning. conditions will deteriorate along the coast within the warning area. already starting to see rain bands affecting the coast. we'll see the tropical storm force winds begin to arrive later this morning and early this afternoon. >> michael, what worries you the most about harvey? >> there are three things that worry me, all very important life-threatening hazards. hurricane-force

and bring in michael brennan, chief hurricane specialist for the national oceanic and atmospheric administrationmichael, i was talking to you a couple days, and you were laying out three of the bad scenarios of this storm. has it gotten worse or has it gotten better? >> well, unfortunately, katy, it's developed pretty much as we expected. we have seen harvey strengthen over the last couple of days. it's now right on the cusp of major hurricane intensity. so we have this very intense area of winds here near the eye wall that's going to be moving onshore in the middle texas coast during the late night hours tonight and early tomorrow morning. so that's that first hazard. and then as your meteorologist was talking about, there is the other two hazards, storm surge, which is -- could reach depths of 6 to 12 feet above ground level in this area from south of corpus christi to sergeant, texas. and, again, i'm 6 feet tall. we're talking about water twice my height. and that can be certainly a life-threatening situation for anybody who is still in this area under a storm surge warning that's been asked

michael brennan, a senior hurricane specialist at noaa in miami. first, let's begin with the storm's track. how close is it to corpus christi, and how bad could it be >> the center is 75 miles southeast corpus kiss try and we're expecting the core of the hurricanes where the 120 miles per hour sustained winds are to reach the middle texas coast sometime later tonight or very early saturday morning so that's -- that's sort of the first hazard that we're going to see with harvey, but we're already seeing the big rain bands moving onshore and seeing sustained winds right along the coast of up to 50 miles per hour and gusts up to 60 miles per hour and continues have began downhill quite a ways with the tropical storm force winds and we're seeing coastal storm surge flooding one to two feet in the corpus christi and port aransas area. >> i guess the models are not suggesting it's going to rapidly go inland. it might obviously stick around there a while. what does that mean in terms of the intensity of the storm is it not going weaken that fast and for r

. >> we want to continue this but i want to bring in michael brennan, senior hurricane specialist at the national hurricane center in miami. we heard from our own bill karins, this thing could be a category three. put in perspective, what does that look like? >> well, there's going to be multiple life threatening hazards associated with harvey. you mentioned the winds which are the category three, that's a range of sustained wind speeds up about 115 miles per hour that can cause structural damage. the other two big hazards we don't want people to miss, the storm surge, which we could see 6 to 10 feet of inuninunation, g the coast, south padre island. we have a storm surge warning in place. that means there's the danger of life threatening inundation within the next 36 hours. the next hazard will be heavy rainfall. the storm will slow down over the entire five-day period. once it makes landfall on late friday and early saturday, it's going to mee ander through the weekend and into early next week. that's going to result in widespread area of 12 to 20-inch rainfall totals. we could see

joining us with the latest on where things stand, michael brennan from the national hurricane centeriami. we were speaking to the mayor of corpus christi who seems to think this is diminishing compared to what they thought it was going to be as it makes landfall. does that jive with your accounts of what's happening? >> at this point we're expecting harvey to be an extremely dangerous hurricane. there are three life threatening hazards associated with the storm. the hurricane winds in the core here around the eye wall as it begins to move northwest towards the middle texas coast. we have maximum winds right now in the storm of 110 miles per hour, seeing the storm continue to deepen and the data we're getting from the aircraft in it. that core of the storm approaches the middle texas coast late tonight and early saturday, that will bring hurricane force winds onshore. that's one deadly hazard. the second deadly hazard is the storm surge. we have a storm surge warning in effect for much of the texas coast but in particular from the area south of corpus christi to up west of houston, th

now we take you to miami and the national hurricane center and michael brennan. >> good afternoon. this is mike brennan at the national hurricane center with your 2:00 p.m. central daylight time update on hurricane harvey. we have data from the hurricane hunter aircraft. it's a major hurricane.

can we expect going forward here to break it down chief specialist from the hurricane center michael brennan are you guys bracing for? what are you seeing in the latest models? >> well, i mean, in terms of the forecast, we're expecting basically the system to stall. the steering current are collapsing. we are beginning to seat motion of the storm slow. it's down to about 6 miles per hour now in our latest update. can you see the eye here moving slowly inland of the middle texas coast centered right now 20 miles southwest of victoria. the real focus now is turning to the heavy rain. the winds are starting to come down. there are still hurricane force winds with this system. down to 80 miles per hour sustained winds. now you can see feeder bands of rain moving in off the gulf of mexico. so there is two parts to the rainfall we are looking at today. there is moderate to heavy rain that's associated right with the core of the storm. because that's moving very slowly the areas near that storm center are going to get very, very strong or very, very long duration high rainfall rates. and then you a

msnbc political analyst and former rnc chairman, michael steele, and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards, senior fellow at the brennan center for justice. that's a lot to unpack. >> it is. >> michael, we talked about what the president did say, but in all fairness we should share his own words and some of what he did. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides. >> why? honest to goodness. i'm not talking about deplorable americans. good, honest americans who voted for president trump, and those who didn't, across the country, neo-nazis do not represent what america does. why wouldn't he denounce it? it's no-brainer. >> it is a no-brainer but it is part of a continuing narrative for this president that he's always sizing up how to keep his audience in play. and as you saw from the reaction from duke and others out there, they took what he said, that many other sides, those many sides, as sort of a way to go, okay, yeah, it's all good. >> we're all right. >> you're all right. and that's unfortunate. i think along with a lot of other

michael german. he is a fellow with the brennan center for justices liberty and national security program. and the author of "thinking like a terrorist." with a big welcome to you, michael. >> thank you. >> during your time with the fbi, i know you went undercover with a couple different white nationalists group. knowing that terrain, as you do, were you surprised by anything you saw in charlottesville, yesterday? >> no, unfortunately, i wasn't surprised. what we've seen over the last several months is an escalation in tactics at some of these protests and i think that the way the police are addressing it is contributing to the problem or the way the police aren't addressing the sort of running street battles is giving the protesters the idea that this is sanctioned violence and they are allowed to engage in this violence and therefore should be prepared at the next rally to bring even more violence. >> so, michael, what groups did you go undercover with and what was that like? >> so there were a number of groups that i was involved in. i did a case in the early 1990s involving neo-nazi ski

michael steele. and donna edwards from the brennan center for justice. and jeremy peters, "new york times" reporter and the msnbc contributor. so jeremy, i saw you reacting to what ashley was talking about just then so please share your thoughts. >> yeah, it's kind of hard not to. i'm just glad the camera didn't catch it, but i do think -- its must be "vanity fair," right? because the editor of "vanity fair" and president trump have a long standing fight and there was the fight about how jared kushner and ivanka trump have very little clout within the administration right now. and the piece basically said, why don't you leave washington, you're not doing anybody any good. >> what does his tweeting say about the context of harvey? >> he has no attention span. i think it shows -- in a moment when the nation needs a unifying figure, a leader who is capable of showing empathy, donald trump has shown himself to be anything but that person. >> your colleague at "the new york times" glenn thrush wrote about kind of a different take on what we talked about with

michael flynn, and press secretary sean spicer as original team trump members shown the door. bannon's departure came as president trump was sequestered at camp david for national security meetings. margaret brennan now on how it all went wrong for a darling of the right. >> reporter: white house press secretary sarah sanders said that chief of staff john kelly and strategist steve bannon mutually agreed on his exit. but sources tell us that the president had grown frustrated by bannon's rising profile and recent publications describing him as the mastermind behind mr. trump's campaign. the president's irritation was clear during tuesday's explosive press conference. >> but mr. bannon came on very late. you know that. i went through 17 senators, governors, and i won all the primaries. mr. bannon came very much later than that. >> reporter: bannon was one of the first white house staff members hired, and he arrived with a nationalist agenda, playing a key role in the controversial travel ban. shortly after the president's inauguration, he described himself as part of a new political order. >> if you think they're going to give you your country back without a fight, you are sadly mitaken. every day

is also a fellow at the brennan center for justice and national security and editor in chief of the daily beast is here. so this is a conversation we started last night, michaels moved on through today. what is it about the word "culture" that resonates with white nationalists? >> they consider white sul chcu. they believe white people created every cultural innovation that we enjoy today and are interested in whitewashing history in a way that only celebrates white heroes and white important people. so their concept of where we're living today is that their culture is under attack, that they are -- that civilization is being threatened by these illegitimate forces, whatever they are and different groups have different ideas of who an enemy is, whether it's jews or globalists or muslims. they have different iedeologies but the idea is we're victims and we have a right to defend ourselves. >> you don't have to look very far. it's not very hard to find white nationalists using that word. just listen to this. >> they would be reduced to minority in which their culture is a slide show. >> barry is not a person who will defend the rights and heritage of the europe