the article says that wilson got out of the suv and chased michael brown. brown ran toward him. the source said brown flinched as if he was hit and wilson said he stopped shooting, brown continued running toward him and wilson said he fired several more shots. the source said wilson recalled that brown's head was down when the last shot him him there. and finally, wilson drove himself to the police station and was taken to the hospital by other officers. wilson said he had bruises on the left and right side of his face and scratches on his neck, the source said. he had no broken bones. and breaking news tonight, the "l.a. times" reports the department of justice has condemned the leaks in ferguson as, quote, irresponsible even highly troubling and said there seems to be an inappropriate effort to influence public opinion about this case. joaning me now is msnbc law enforcement able list jim cavanaugh and medical investigator shawn parcells who assisted in the private autopsy for the family of michael brown. first to you, what's your reaction to the release

on michael brown's side. on darren wilson's side.t is irreap the ffutablirref evidence in the case, itch the evidence is correct it points in the direction of what the officer said happened. go ahead make your point. >> i have to disagree. there is one other piece of evidence that all of the witnesses talk about as totally refutable. michael brown was running away. this officer was shooting at him as he ran away. true he may not have hit him as he was running away. he hit him. when michael brown turned arun yes he had his hand up. he also started going down. i think you have to take all of the testimony in totality to, and put it altogether. the real point here though is there is plenty of evidence here in this case for this jury to indict him. remember indictment is just probable cause that the crime may have been committed. it is not allegation not proving guilt. i think we need new make sure they do their job and at least indict. have an open public trial. >> have to go. up against the clock. thank you. appreciate you joining us.

krump the other side, i want to press you with michael brown's side. ses said that officer wilson fired at brown while he was running away. no one who's been quoted publicly has said that michael brown was charging wilson. one guy was overheard on tape, but no one's come out and said it publicly other than this one guy overheard on tape and the officer reportedly claims that. why would a man already shot in the hand running away from the cop stop after he's maybe been shot by him as he's running, turn around and start charging him? >> well, why would a man attack an officer in the car and punch him and try to disarm him? so that gives him the window right there. but as far as what you're asking when you look at eyewitness testimony, especially sympathetic eyewitness testimony, the person that was shot by the police, it's sometimes unreliable at best and then it gets worse from there. so the forensic evidence has trumped all the statements that his hands were up or he was running away. his hands were not up and he was not running away. >> it's amazing ho

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shots at michael brown.not one word in the new york times article that claims to be the first public account of officer wilson's testimony, not one word of why officer wilson fired ten shots at michael brown after he ran away from officer wilson. and according to the law, each one of those shots has to be justified. each one of those shots has to be fired because officer wilson is protecting himself from imminent threat of death or serious physical injury. and the new york times article which claims to be officer wilson's account does not contain one word of explanation as to why officer wilson fired anyone of those ten shots. over wilson's friends at the ferguson police department would love to offer an explanation as to why he fired those ten shots. they never have. they have never leaked such an explanation. there is not a hint of justification for any one of those ten shots. that is the point that jim kavanaugh and i have been making for the past couple months that there were at least two separate decisi

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this uncovered so many more stories that went beyond michael brown. this was all because of mike brown. >> i have mentioned this before, did the media sometimes drives the protests. when a tv camera shows up and when a microphone doesn't, people goes crazy -- people go crazy. that thomashe night the tank engine showed up in the middle of it selling something, and some local well-known homeless advocate and minister showed up to raise money, and i am not sure if it was for the t-shirts being sold, yeah, absolutely, there were a lot of people trying to manipulate the media. and me in the media, and i think we can all agree on this, we hate eating a part of the story. that is not white we are there. it is not part of our goal. even the thought that we would be a part of the story just makes us extremely and comfortable. but the phenomenon that you describe is undoubtedly accurate. and it will continue to be accurate. camera orl see the the notebook with a microphone, and they will act in a way that they would not otherwise have acted. and that is unfortun

lemon, the circumstances, the size of window, size of michael brown, whether it is feasible that michaelrown could have done the things some folks are saying. >> right. look i says. my story has been consistent. what i said is, mike brown is a real big fellow. the window size, for him, to be able to fit his body inside there is almost like he would have been stuck inside the window. >> so the reports that have come out according to the, darren wilson's testimony, again, someone else's reporting, not cnn's reporting, that there was an altercation. he tried to take the gun. thantd he w and that he was trying to grab the officer's gun. the shot want off inside the car. that t that's why he has the close range gunshot wound to the hand. others have said he was trying to pull him into the car. he said he was trying to push michael brown out of the car. >> darren wilson's came out. i really didn't tune into what he said or anything else said by anybody else. my story has been the same way since i first told it. i'm sticking with my story. >> there are also other witness whose reportedly, in th

it will continue to be for the foreseeable future. >> this is regarding michael brown -- not michael brown, darren wilsons police and family . they say wilson was nearly beaten to death. i remember seeing a couple of weeks ago -- there was somebody who talk to him and gave an account of what actually happened. the media play this up. this was on the national cable channels. i forget who this person was. it was a friend of michael brown. it was a secondhand account of what happened that day. are you responsible for putting that on the air when you don't know who this person is? they could be making it up. >> you are talking about darren wilson. woman who talk to a female friend of darren wilson. it is already thirdhand. i don't -- i guess i don't really think that it is responsible to use that. i was reading it because -- at that point, we did not have any kind of idea at all about what the police account was. i credit for background information. i don't think that writing a -- wouldut that was have been responsible. if you're going to write that story, you have to say that this withou

officer wilson told authorities the gun was fired twice inside the car with the first shot hitting michael brownhe arm. fbi forensic tests reportedly back this up. the times says michael's blood was found on the gun as well as on the interior door panel and on officer wilson's uniform. this new account could raise more questions than answers. for example, the times says, it does not explain why after he emerged from his vehicle, he fired at mr. brown multiple times. and that central point has been repeatedly raised by other witnesses to the shooting. >> as i get closer is when i see them tussling through the window. the kid was pulling off, and the kid was pulling in. the first gunshot came from the window. the shots just came after that. >> he's running this way. he turns his body towards this way. hands in the air, being compliant. he gets shot in his face and chest and goes down and dies. >> that shot struck my friend in the back. he was stopped, turned around with his hands in the air. >> michael's body jerk as if he was hit. he turned around and put his hands up, the officer continued to wa

whatever happened in that car, michael brown jr. was running away from him. >> reporter: the grand jury has been meeting since august 20 to decide whether to indict officer wilson for killing michael brown, jim, and the st. louis county prosecutor robert mccullouch says he expects a decision in mid-november. >> axelrod: vlad, thank you. up next, does a can of soda a day take years off your life? what one study has found. $61 billion-a-year business in the united states, but a new study in the "american journal of public health" suggests drinking them could shorten your life. >> reporter: the first-of-its-kind study looked at whether america's thirst for soda speeds up how the body's cells age. researchers at the university of california san francisco used a sample of 5300 healthy adults. dr. elissa epel worked on the study for five years. >> we think we can get away with drinking lots of soad as, as long as we're not gaining weight, but this suggests that there is an invisible pathway that leads to accelerated aging regardless of we

this officer had a right to kill michael brown. that is still plausible to me. so i'm waiting -- i am waiting for the evidence. i'm not saying there has to be an indictment. i'm saying that if there isn't an indictment and if you look at the condition of the community, there will probably be a bad reaction. how they roll this out is going to be critical. they had better have all their ducks lined up and the proof lined up so that the leadership has something to be able to defend the government's action with, if that's what is warranted. >> so back to this larger issue, that's why i love talking to you. this is not a new issue but you crystallize it tonight in a way many might not have understood it much less embraced it, that is this notion of how in a particular incident, law enforcement might not be wrong history of your predatory government oversight does build up a kind of tension that a teapot is going to blow. so ferguson is the sight of the michael brown shooting and other shootings we can talk about tonight in this country, we'll set that aside for a mom

so we're at the two-month anniversary since michael brown was killed. just last month, you had another shooting. so the biggest thing is trust. they didn't trust the police before, and that is just getting bigger and bigger. it's not clear what, at this point, can bridge that gap. there's forensic evidence. there's a bullet hole in the police car. they recovered a .9 millimeter weapon. >> joining me now, anthony gray, an attorney for michael brown's family. mr. gray, where is the family at right now. protesters coming this weekend. the tragic shooting last night and a grand jury process that seems to be extended indefinitely at least until january. >> well, yeah. mentally, physically as well as psychologically, they're stationary. they're pretty much at the same place that they were on august 9th. they're still grieving. as you just eluded to, the process is still open. we're 61 days removed with no answers. no conclusion. it just seems to me that the longer that the time goes on, the longer that the grieving gets worse. the trust as trymaine just elude

our next guest conducted one of the three autopsies performed on michael brown. joining us, dr. michael pwod bo. your autopsy for the brown family, indicated the muzzle of the weapon was one to two feet away when discharged. is this finding by the medical examine consistent with your finding? >> it is, one foot or two feet away is still within the car, it looks like from fbi blood tests that there was a struggle in the car, and gun went off in the car. the medical examine st. louis, and myself. examined body with the naked eye did not see evidence of gunshot residue. on the microscopic test that they did, which were released, there is some material that looks like it could begun shot residue in the han wound, and cn only be seen under the microscope. that -- good medical examineers it sounds valid that there was a gunshot wound in the car, some kind of a struggle. lou: in our discussions, have you expressed high level of confidence, in st. louis medical came inners that team, of pathologists that work there. >> i agree, yes. lou: and idea that there has been so much discussion, p

michael brown grabbed his gun. don't know, because that still doesn't explain why according to certain witnesses, he still shot michael brown while he was surrendering or had his hands up. and all of that information tells me that perhaps there won't be an indictment. and they're trying to ready the public for what could happen. >> mark, what about that? a former st. louis police says he believes that may happen, is that common to lay groundwork to ease the impact of an explosive outcome? >> yes, in the very, very unique world of the high profile case is, like the michael brown case is you have to understand that the government's role may well be one where there is information to insulate the public. i don't like when information is leaked out to be knowledge for one side or the other. but it would make sense the way the information is released that they're doing it for a purpose beyond the information itself. >> alderman, what do you make of the mood right the fact that officer wilson may not be indicted. obviousl

lou: of michael brown. how significant? how much? and how impaired would he have been. >> it was kind of recreational levels, it looks like from toxicology report he had recently spokeed marijuana. but marijuana makes people feel good, it does not necessarily make them do any bizarre or stupid things. >> we know he was doing bizarre, stupid -- >> well. lou: and. >violent things justmoments bef, i am not suggesting that marijuana would cause him to alike it did, di but did it impr his judgment or reasoning? >> it could to a small degree, people on marijuana do not assault police officers because of the marijuana. lou: people who are violent of nature do so irrespect tes irre. >> correct, violent people, the question is history of that. >> how soon will we have sufficient facts to feel comfortable. >> i think within the next few weeks or after the grand jury report comes in. district attorney should release everything. but i think that both autopsy reports, the st. louis and please show that at least 6 gunshot wounds, one of which was

the account in the dispatch say the door was pushed closed by michael brown and that he punched him on right side of the face and the left side of his face according to this report. >> mr. brown about 300 pounds. >> true. >> big man. >> true. >> and before the altercation with the officer had pushed around as we have seen now a deli owner. he had marijuana in his system, correct? >> that's true. >> what about the gun? how did the gunfire inside of the police car? >> two parts here. you have the first two shots and even benjamin crump who you have spoken with the attorney acknowledges there were witnesses to some brief altercation he says at the police car. the first two shots according to this report went off in the car. they say that the autopsy report shows that bullet going through his right thumb and up towards the wrist on the hand of michael brown. darren wilson claims that he was struggling to get his gun in his holster and that's. >> mr. brown was trying to take the the police officer's gun away? >> true. and in the struggle the gun went off and shot mr. brown. mr. brown then r

be into the foreseeable future. >> so this is, this is regarding michael brown -- not michael brown, darren wilson's police friends and family network. it says they are convinced that wilson was nearly beaten to death. why can't the media dig up this information? i remember seeing a couple of weeks ago there was somebody who had talked to him and gave an account of what had actually happened, and the media played this up. i mean, this was on national, cable channels. michael brown's -- i forget who this person was, like a friend, and she had talked to him. it was a, it was a secondhand account of what happened that day. so are you responsible by putting that on the air when you don't know who this person is? they could have been make it up. >> yeah. i think you're talking about darren will soften, right? >> -- will soften. >> yeah, so it was a woman who had talked to a female friend of darren wilson's, so you're already like -- >> thirdhand. >> thirdhand. and i think she called the conservative commentator. so, you know, i don't -- i guess i don't really think that it's responsible t

if he shot michael brown in the arm inside the strike, if michael was running away, which you think is the logical thing for people to do, why would he continue to shoot? how was he in harm. how was his life in danger if michael was running away with his arms in the air as the witnesses say. >> this information is supposed to be secret. how did it get out, do you think? >> there's a federal investigation that is happening parallel to the grand jury proceedings, and if you read the article carefully, it suggests the information is coming from the federal investigation into the shooting. the feds are looking to see was there a civil rights violation, was michael brown shot as a result of his race, as a result of being african-american, i believe the information was leaked to the public or disseminated because of that investigation. >> reeva martin, thank you for sharing your insight >>> when it comes to gay marriage, president obama's opinion that it is a constitutional right. he thinks the equal protection clause should apply to gay marriage in every state, and he sided with a supreme c

that town still reeling from the police shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown and preparing forhat might happen if the officer who shot him is not charged. we've got the latest developments this morning. >>> fire in the sky. nasa's unmanned rocket explodes seconds after liftoff. this morning, investigators trying to figure out just what went wrong. >>> security watch. thousands of federal buildings across the country this morning. terror threats forcing the department of homeland security to sound the alert. we'll tell you what we're learning. good morning, welcome to "early start." i'm john berman. >> and i'm christine romans. it's wednesday, october 29th, it's 4:00 a.m. in the east. let's begin with breaking news from ferguson, missouri. there is word the police chief there could soon step down. officials tell cnn that chief thomas jackson's departure would be part of efforts to reform the ferguson police department, following the shooting of an unarmed teenager michael brown by officer darren wilson. chief jackson and the mayor of ferguson deny those reports. >> there's been

it's not just about michael brown in ferguson. it's not just about what happened in st. nights earlier this week. it's about a national issue and concerns about holding police accountable. and raising the voices of so many people who have been killed by violence and their voices are going unheard. people are streaming from all over the country to be here. last night there were only a few hundred. organizers are hoping today they get 4,000 or 5,000 more that registered to come. >> thank you so much for your continued reporting in st. louis, missouri. now i want to bring in my panel in studio. still with me is laura flanders. joining me now is michael denzel smith, fellow at the nation institute. and editor in chief at globalgrind.com and russell simmons' political director. thank you all for being here. michael, i just wand to start with you. the point he just made. the flash point is ferguson is st. louis. but this ain't just about what's happening in missouri. this is about a national problem. >> i think what's inspiring is we are 60 days past the death of michael brown

it showed that michael brown had been shot at close range, and that brown had marine in his system when. in an interview with cbs radio station kmox, former st. louis county police chief tim fitch said this about the leaks-- >> i think what you're seeing them do is coordinate leaks to the media and to start getting some of the facts out there to kind of let people down slowly. i think they've recognized that it's probably very unlikely there's going to be charges. >> reporter: benjamin crump is the attorney for the michael brown family. >> everybody is taking an anonymous leak information to say oh, this supports the officer's version. michael brown's family has always said they don't trust any of the local st. louis authorities. they have been asking for a special prosecutor from day one, and asked them for federal intervention because they don't believe the local officials of st. louis are going to give equal justice to their child. >> reporter: we spoke to the st. louis county medical examiner's office, local police, and the justice department, and they all say that the leaks didn't

that takes the focus away from what happened to michael brown. concerned are you about the reaction that's been going on, about what may happen if there is not an indictment? >> quite obvious, anderson, people are frustrated in st. louis and all over america, because they keep saying our children get killed over and over again and nobody is held accountable. it is swept under the rug. we encourage people to exercise their first amendment rights but we want you to do it in a constructive, nonviolent way. we want you to turn this frustration into legislation by going to vote in the mid-term election and passing the mike brown law so it won't play out this way again because the police officer got video cameras, anderson. it will be transparent. it will protect the officer if he did nothing wrong but also it will give these families answers. that's what they want. they want to know why their child was shot down in the middle of the street in broad daylight. >> i appreciate you being on. >>> imagine if this was happening to your mom, your sister, your

three gunshot wounds to michael brown's head, two to his chest, another three ohis right arm and one to his right hand. sphreforensic, browb brown had s system at the time. >> we're looking for information that is from the autopsy and other scientific studies, that will allow us to eventually reach final conclusions. >> the private autopsy arranged by brown's family mostly agrees with the official report but that investigation said none of the gunshot wounds appear to be fired at close range. >> i've been doing this almost 15 years now. it is very, very rare that a defendant is brazen to go grab an officer's gun. there is imminent and apparent deadly force. >> evidence of a third autopsy done 50 justice department have not yet been released. brown's family says the autopsy does not answer why the teen was shot even though he was more than 20 feet from the officer's car. the officer remains on paid leave while the grand jury determines whether he should be charged. john. >> thank you jonathan. >>> john terret is live with the latest from ottawa. john. >> john good evening from ottawa w

michael brown's mother says she doesn't want words, she wants actions. knows that there's not an experienced crime scene investigator in the country who has defended the ferguson police for leaving michael brown's body on that street for 4 1/2 hours. and she knows how chief jackson and his officers at that scene treated her during those 4 1/2 hours. in what is the most powerful and emotional interview conducted by any of us in the media about this case, steve harvey today asked michael brown's mother about those 4 1/2 hours and what they were like for her. her answer brings you closer to the pain of a mother losing her teenage son than anything i've ever heard. what she went through is agonizing to listen to. steve harvey wasn't asking her why she didn't accept the police chief's apology, but the answer to why she wouldn't accept that apology is there in every anguished word of what she had to say. she began by telling steve harvey that she was at work when she got a phone call telling her someone had been shot near her mother's house. >> i was at work.

. >> new at 11:00, the city of trenton covers up a mural of michael brown. painted the mural on a vacant store front. michael brown was shot by a police officer in ferguson, missouri back in august. the 18-year-old was unarmed at the time. >>> and that shooting set off weeks of unrest in the st. louis suburb, which you see some of here. nbc 10 has the story of why the mural of michael brown was removed from the streets of trenton. >> reporter: there is no trace of a mural of mike brown once painted prominently at the corner of north broad and east hanover in trenton. the trenton downtown association removed it yesterday at the urging of several police officers who were unconfidentmf with the message. >> the intent was to get a reaction, not to further divide us. >> reporter: while meant to stir up dialogue, was not meant to throw digs at local police. but local police tell us the image of michael brown gunned down by a police officer in ferguson was a distraction and undermined the good police intentions. the word michael brown and sagging pants is not proba

weighing whether a white police officer, darren wilson, should face charges in the killing of michael brown, three months ago. the investigation has sprung a number of leaks -- with unidentified sources divulging information that seems to corroborate officer wilson's account of what happened that day. according to the selective leaks, brown apparently struggled with wilson in his patrol car and wilson's gun was discharged before a brief foot chase ensued. the new york times reported that investigators discovered brown's blood on wilson's gun as well as wilson's uniform. ballistic tests confirm two shots were fired inside the car, one of them hitting brown's arm. it's unclear why wilson then fired the fatal shots at brown after he emerged from his vehicle. witness accounts say brown had his hands up and was trying to surrender when he was shot dead. according to federal officials, there is not enough evidence to indict wilson on civil rights charges in the justice department's probe of the shooting. >> earlier this month, the u.s. department of justice condemned the leaks as "irresponsible a

a new event starts when michael brown runs away.e question becomes, was it excessive force for officer wilson to shoot at michael brown during that second event? was that excessive force? >> and that's where you have a lot of witnesses. don't you also have the situation here where if this prosecutor, mr. mccouple off, who many have questioned from the beginning, and the family has questioned from the beginning. don't you really have the question of, if he does not indict as many expected, and if he does not go forward, then he is really saying that we in this country can have the possibility of eight people saying something? and one policeman can say no, they're wrong, and we go with that? isn't that a bad press dental to have in the system no matter what your view of the case? >> well, it certainly would be something that could be troubling for a lot of reasons. i wanted to get back to the point just made. when we talk about a civil rights violation, you don't to have prove a hate crime. it means you have to source lethal force wit

for example, michael brown told the prosecutor that decided he wasn't going to charge. number two, he wasn't going to reveal any of the evidence that he had in the case. and so two important things happened. number one, we found in our practice that is very important at times and in some cases to align with the fbi and the department of justice and in doing so, similar to what you had in trayvon and michael brown. i was sitting in a meeting with two fbi agents in the st. louis field office and the very next day they had 48 agents on the ground doing their job and if you bought it and know that this happened they followed up the kendrick johnson case. do you believe that is the case because of the individuals that are in power now. would the response be different if it was a different administration? who >> to start with president obama and number two with the attorney general holder obviously it is quite clear that washington had taken the interest of the case and they would be domicile in the country had some call into some interaction from washington from the executiv

that initially, michael brown was the aggressor in the situation.lso there were seven or eight african-american witnesses who backed up that account. are you aware of those witnesses? >> anderson, how do you vet a leak? how do you attack a leak? and i know several witnesses who testified before the grand jury who say they think that people are trying to twist their words. and that is why we need transparency, anderson, we need to have a trial by a jury based on the constitution of the united states where it is very transparent and all the evidence and all the witnesses can be cross examined. >> you said the transparency, all the witnesses have said after the grand jury that they will reveal all the evidence that was presented to the grand jury. so there is that transparency even if there is not a trial. is that not -- >> and anderson, what this family wants is what any other family would want if their child was shot down in broad daylight. for the person to be charged for the evidence to come before a jury. and everybody can vet that evidence. it wi

and what happened to michael brown is not that unusual.unfortunately. 90.ou recently turned you survive the not the holocaust. what keeps you marching? i guess i can't stop. i don't know how to stop. like. what depression is as a child in germany under the nazi regime, i experienced it. are the same,ons but there always similarities. we're all the same. one human race. the protest has marched down market street past the st. louis arch and arrived at keynote park to hear from a series of speakers. freedom summer. this is our freedom summer! >> we get all the same people on the front lines to get out here and protest for the light to live and we get -- right to live and we get to aghast and maced and rubber bulleted. i've spent more time in jail than darren wilson, and it is ridiculous. we are sick of it. we are tired. we are tired and we want st. louis to know in front of this arch that we aren't going anywhere until you stop killing us. you will stop killing us. and we mean that. >> we're here with jesse williams from "grey's anatomy." why

Ávila nos dice cÓmo se iniciaron las protestas este fin de semana a dos meses de la muerte de michael brownnsiÓn se vivieron hoy al frente del departamento de policÍa de ferguson con manifestantes que trataban de ingresar al edificio y agentes que les cerraban el paso. lÍderes religiosos querían reunirse con el jefe de la policÍa para hablar sobre el caso del joven afroamericano michael brown quien en aÚn circunstancias que se investigan muriÓ el pasado 9 de agosto. las protestas y forcejeos dejaron decenas de detenidos. >> que no nos quedemos callados porque eso muestra una aceptaciÓn de la sociedad. ¿no? y estamos aceptando que exista el racismo. >> pero la jornada de hoy se iniciÓ con una marcha en la que se juntaron con estas cruces con los nombres de dos jÓvenes que fueron baleados por agentes de la policÍa de missouri. >> esa persona debe estar avergonzada, especialmente una minorÍa. pienso que podemos sufrir una injusticia como Ésta cualquier dÍa. >> los religiosos enfrentaron a los agentes para que se confesaran. hasta el lÍder espiritual le pregunto al policÍa si su trabajo era mat

the account in the dispatch say the door was pushed closed by michael brown and that he punched him on side of the face and the left side of his face according to this report. >> mr. brown about 300 pounds. >> true. >> big man. >> true. >> and before the altercation with the officer had pushed around as we have seen now a deli owner. he had marijuana in his system, correct? >> that's true. >> what about the gun? how did the gunfire inside of the police car? >> two parts here. you have the first two shots and even benjamin crump who you have spoken with the attorney acknowledges there were witnesses to some brief altercation he says at the police car. the first two shots according to this report went off in the car. they say that the autopsy report shows that bullet going through his right thumb and up towards the wrist on the hand of michael brown. darren wilson claims that he was struggling to get his gun in his holster and that's. >> mr. brown was trying to take the the police officer's gun away? >> true. and in the struggle the gun went off and shot mr. brown. mr. brown then ran awa

the time's reports that michael brown's gun was found on his gun and uniform and on the inside panel nt door of the police vehicle. dorian johnson, who was with mike brown told a much different version of events the day of the shooting. >> he pulled up on the side, he tried to tlush his door opened. we were so close to it. it ricochetted off us and bounced back to him. i guess that got him a little upset. >> reporter: johnson said officer wilson was the aggressor, grabbing mike brown, first around the neck, then by the arm. >> as he was trying to coke my friends, he was trying to get away the officer then reached out. he grabbed his arm to pull him into the car. his weapon was drawn, he says, i'll shoot you or i'm going to shoot and in the same moment the first shot went off. we looked at him. he was shot, there was blood coming from him. >> reporter: he was an eyewitness who shot cell phone video of the after math. this is what she said about the initial struggle within she appeared on a "new day" in august. >> from my point of view, i could not tell exactly what was going on. it loo

we heard the narrative that michael brown was a gentle giant. he's not aggressive.deo, you see him take on the store clerk that's about half his size, after stealing the cigars. he's confronted. he shoves the guy violently into the rack. starts to leave the store. that's not good enough. he turns around and comes back in menacingly toward the clerk and then leaves. that incident occurs about ten minutes before the encounter with officer wilson on the street. so he could have, in his own mind, thought that officer wilson was going to arrest him for the incident at the store. that would be a motive for being aggressive and wilson being caught by surprise. >> what do you make of that, don? >> i think it goes to state of mind. i think he's right, that's going to come up. when you're dealing with a grand jury, you're dealing with people listening and trying to be objective about it. so if you look at that, they'll say -- they'll want to know what precipitated this? what happened before? we have been saying there are two separate events. what happened at the car md then w

the father of michael brown was there. he did not want to speak but the lawyer and the pastor were there. they had a very clear message. the individual, the police officer, darren wilson, who shot and killed unarmed teen michael brown on august 9th, that he should be arrested immediately. they would like him to come on out and be arrested. that was their demand. this event which is organized by the national action network led by reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" on msnbc happened just moments ago. as you see here this was some of the events that happened in the last 30 minutes. we reached out to the ferguson police department and the office of the st. louis county prosecutor for the reaction to michael brown's family's plea for darren wilson's arrest. we have not heard back. a grand jury is investigating the shooting. following the story was, usa today national reporter yamish alcndar. she's been covering the story since august. good to have uh you here. when you look at what we heard today, and it's been alm

this follows the controversial police shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown. now preparing for what could happen if officer wilson is not indicted. we'll have the very latest developments this morning just ahead. >>> an unmanned nasa rocket explodes in the sky just seconds after liftoff. investigators trying to figure out just what went wrong. >>> terror watch at thousands of federal buildings. the government beefing up security after threats of lone wolf terror attacks. we'll tell what you we're learning ahead. welcome back to "early start," everyone, i'm john berman. >> i'm christine romans. 31 minutes past the hour. we have breaking news from ferguson to tell you about. word this morning the police chief there could soon step down. government officials familiar withian going discussions are telling cnn chief thomas jackson's departure would be part of efforts to reform the ferguson police department after the shooting of unarmed black teenager michael brown by officer darren wilson. chief jackson and mayor of ferguson flatly denying those reports. >> is the

that is exactly what michael brown's family attorney told cnn. l have to be very concerned that someone would leak the autopsy report to the "st. louis post dispatch." i think the brown family all along has had serious concerns about whether or not they could really get justice. this leak doesn't help their confidence at all. in fact it hurts the confidence of the general public can have in this process. >> the feeling is that these leaks are going out because they're trying to basically soften up the protesters in the event that they're not going to indict the officer. >> yes, exactly, in fact, you know, the leaks are inappropriate. they're not surprising. this is a police department that released the videotape of michael brown and the strongarm robbery that happened before the shooting as a means to get out in front of the story, so leaks happen a lot in big cases like this. the "new york times" is reporting the autopsy was released by the feds, so while it is completely inappropriate, i don't think it is surprising at all, alisyn. >> let's talk