my brother what you have got a picture of another mentor and brother whose name was governor michael callahan you call him or lifelong friend and mentor. i have heard you talk about him on so many occasions and you always -- your eyes light up and your tone of voice and changes and you really can feel the immense respect and admiration and affection from michael callahan. tell us why did that happen? >> guest: when i was a senior in high school was the student body president and can remember i guess we thought we were big shots. first day of school here comes this big man had a funny date walking by he had become over and we thought to ourselves take care of this guy get a week or two and he will be putty and our hands. it was a couple weeks later we were putty in his hand. first of all we feared him immensely. he could be very hard and some of the things he did to students at the time you couldn't do now. but he did it. he lost his leg in korea and was highly decorated but he was wonderful. he just was so good taught and one of the people that helped me understand leader in her life i can ma