michaels: george carlin. benstein: and was he so funny in those days, you knew it would be a hit, or was he too complicated-- michaels: no. i know that he had monologues that would work, and i thought he was funny. the biggest controversy in that first show was, the network wanted him to wear a suit, a jacket and tie, and he didn't want to. he wanted to wear a t-shirt. i was-- it was not the biggest thing in my life. i let him wear what he wants, but the compromise, which took up a lot of time on show day, was, he wore a suit with a t-shirt, which was the perfect solution. rubenstein: so did you have to have a censor for words that might not be appropriate or-- michaels: there was a lot of discussions about what we could do and what we couldn't do and what you could do at 11:30 and what you could do at midnight. i think that we sort of-- we were, you know, all those phrases from the seventies, like "cutting edge" and "pushing the envelope" and all that. i think we were just trying to reflect life as we were li