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michael carpenter is still with me.cance of this is you have a representative of the agalarovs, we have seen them at birthday party for the son, and now he was represented as well at this meeting with the campaign. >> well, this is sort of, again, the classic russian mo, bring someone in with some sort of connection to the two parties so he knows the agalarovs, and the agalarovs or the older one is fairly close with mr. trump. what concerns me more is the russian intelligence officer and how he may have been relaying information to the group that was assembled there in trump tower. >> he described as a former intelligence officer, someone who lives here in the u.s., but -- >> very few former intelligence officers in russia. >> once you're part of the family, that's it. >> that's it. >> michael carpenter, thanks again for your expertise. >>> and meanwhile, a team of six teenage afghan girls are here in washington this week, competing in their first robotics competition. this is a day the afghan girls thought would never

. >>> michael carpenter was deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and ur ray sha until this january. he's also the former director for russia at the national security council. now he's the senior director at the penn biden center for diplomacy and global engagement and michael carpenter joins us tonight for the interview. thank you for being with us tonight. nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> first of all, pentagon titles are very long, particularly for those of us who have never been in the military or inside that building. what does it mean to be the deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and ur ray sha. what were your responsibilities. >> it's a spol pi job for specific responsibility for russia, ukraine, the ball kin and my job responsibilities were arms control. >> so it's a policy job with a very broad swath of the world under your remit there. from that position, because of that experience, it has really struck me what you told mccla chi for their recent reporting. you told them there appears to be significant cooperation

joining us tonight for the interview is michael carpenter. he's now the at the penn biden center, but for more than two years he was deputy director for russia at the state department. he also served as the senior director for russia at the national security council and served until january of this year. if you recognize him from this show, it's because mr. carpenter was here last night. he was kind enough to afragree come back. mr. carpenter, i apologize for putting you on the spot last night. thank you for coming back. >> oh, it's a pleasure to be here. thanks. >> good. thank you. first of all, let me ask you a big question. part of the reason i wanted you to come back tonight is because i wanted you to be able to spread out a little bit and explain some of what you saw in terms of what you think is most important about it. you were the top pentagon official on russia while the russian attack was happening during the election last year. are there things that you saw from that inside perspective that, a, you can talk about in public, but, b,

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with us now, michael carpenter, a former director for russia.now senior director at the penn biden center for diplomacy and government. what's your first thought here when you see what came out of congress? what are you watching for specifically from these sanctions? >> well, this is a very strong bill that imposes additional sanctions in the energy sector, in the metals, mining and railway sectors. there's a lot of additional authorities here in addition to codifying all the sanctions that are already in place that the obama administration rolled out through executive order on russia. it's a strong bill. it has provisions as you noted for any effort to repeal the sanctions, needs to be notified to congress. they have to approve it before it can take place, but here's the key point. i think politically trump is in a place where he has to sign this bill and he's indicated that he will. but you know, in order for these things to be enforced, in order for sanctions to actually go into effect it takes the state and the treasury departments to actual

michael carpenter, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia. ael, a big welcome to you. i know that we are trying to parse through all of the details of this bill, but what more sanctions can the u.s. put on russia airnd and do you think the president would sign off on that? >> well, thanks. i think this is a great move that both the house and senate have agreed on these sanctions. essentially my understanding from the senate version of the bill and we'll have to see what all of the details are after the negotiators came up with a compromise, but the initial senate bill proposed locking in all of the obama administration sanctions on russia and then expanding authorities in a number of different areas, including human rights, including corruption and also including in the energy sector. but the crucial thing to understand here is that these sanctions do not enforce themselves. in other words, although the bill or the law, if it's passed, would provide the authorities to impose these sanctions, it's really up to the treasury department to actuall

. >> i wanted to also share, michael carpenter was on the rachel maddow show last night.is a former pentagon official, his take on the reporting the other day, that there may have been a connection between the data mining operation of the trump campaign and the very specific microtargeting by the russians, the people behind weekikileaks guccifer and the like. this was michael carpenter last night. >> it was probably some degree of tailored messaging, in fact, down to the very precinct level. targeting swing voters in certain midwestern states. in order to do that the russian intelligence services don't possess the internal capacity to be able to do that on their own in a very sophisticated way. but, b, it's their m.o. and i've seen this in a number of other countries to reach out and try to use political operatives in the united states in this case, to help with both the message, both the content, but also where to target it. >> now, he's not specifically saying the trump campaign was alluding to that. he's saying some political operatives, roger stone's name has come up

. >> pamela brown, david gergen, former russia analyst, ralph larson and defense secretary michael carpenter. michael, you made what i believe to be the first public mention of this other meeting on the program last night. it was the first we had heard about it. what's your understanding of what occurred in. >> well, i mean, there's only three people that know what was said in that meeting and those are presidents trump, putin and the russian interpreter. this was a one-hour meeting. during my career, each seen plenty of five-minute one-on-ones. to have a meeting of this length and not to be transparent about it, that is of concern. and then obvious, this provides a golden opportunity for president putin to try to press president trump on his agenda and to spin things in his way. so we know during the bilateral meeting they talked about a cyber unit which at first president trump said it was a great idea and apparently it wasn't such a great idea later. we don't know what was said. there could have been all kinds of things proposed by the russian side that would have been deleterious to our

joining us tonight for the interview is michael carpenter. he is now at the penn biden center.ore that he was deputy director at the state department and the senior director of russia at the national security council and serve until january this year as the deputy secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia. mr. carpenter was here last night and kind enough to agree to come back because i put him on the spot life on national television with no warning if he would do so. i apologize for putting you on the spot last night. thank you for coming back. >> it's a pleasure to be here. thanks. >> thank you. first of all, let me just ask you a big question. part of the reason i wanted you to come back tonight is i wanted you to spread out and explain some of what you saw and what you think is most important about it. you were the top pentagon official on russia while the russian attack was happening during the election last year. are there things that you saw from that inside perspective that a, you can talk about in public but b, you think it's important for americans to reall

michael carpenter on the russia desk for the national circuit court -- security council. work will russian spies will be going after an american and they didn't realize it? >> if they're doing their job well then the american might not realize it. you try to build a relationship. you start out slow and you work your way up until a more solids relationship and one in whh you can ask for certain types of favors or certain types of individu information that the individual may not give you. in you're a think tanker and maybe you're flown out to participate. maybe you're given access to and gas company head. or you're given new tips. so they are experts on cultivating these relationships over time. not in the first pitch usually. but with time they develop that sxrip then they use it. >> so he that is of course newly relevant. because the questions are, what were all these people doing at this meeting with trump officials? manafort, kushner, don junior. taking a listen to the senate testimony saying they must have been fronts like you're describing. >> is there any doubt in yo

joining us tonight for the interview is michael carpenter. he is now at the penn biden center. before that he was deputy director at the state department and the senior director of russia at the national security council and serve until january this year as the deputy secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia. mr. carpenter was here last night and kind enough to agree to come back because i put him on the spot life on national television with no warning if he would do so. i apologize for putting you on the spot last night. thank you for coming back. >> it's a pleasure to be here. thanks. >> thank you. first of all let me ask you a big question. part of the reason i wanted you to come back tonight is awanted you to spread out and explain some of what you saw and what you think is most important about it. you were the top pentagon official on russia while the russian attack was happening during the election last year. are there things that you saw from that inside perspective that a, you can talk about in public but b, you think it's important for americans to really u

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that doesn't make sense. >> that's michael carpenter. rick tyler, we want to make sure we underline there is no link made to this yet. >> right. >> we hear someone in the department a few months ago hear that strongably about it, it makes you want to dig deeper. >> we hear the ratchet continues to click. with every revelation it clicks and then there's a new set of talking points. this part of the ratchet has not clicked yet. if it's true, there's no way the russians would be able to target to specific precincts with specific message counter that to within of michigan, if it's true they could have done it with outside help. now, it may not why, especially at the presidential level, is astoundi astounding. targeting people down to a block and finding out whab they like or dislike. it's always been a wonderment that the russians were so skillfully able to hone in on this. >> i coincidentally ran into a top clinton official who served on the campaign yesterday at union staegs and she said, you know, it was about thyme a year ago when we sta