one of the people, and i deliberately chose michael carr as one of the scientists to interview for myook, because he retired right after he was at jpl. so to see that kind of transition. >> let's talk about the dangers of anthropomorphizing our rovers as we put them up there. i was following the weeds of the martian curiosity, and sometimes it merged into the adult and it was great fun. it was wonderful but as soon as you started injecting that humanity, a lot of people get in trouble on twitter. i'm just wondering about how much of a burden it is to say it all, not this is as much our mascot as it is our scientist. >> i think it is the truth. and that was probably my biggest surprise in going through my work over these eight years. because i did start, as i said, rather upset when i first saw that 2001 press release. i remember ranting and raving to anyone who would listen to me, who is this steve squyres nyc singh these absurd things, robotic geologist? we're in big trouble. i mean the last thing you want to say to the public. and to find out it was useful, data played a role in the