here's michael carven. >> carven. any questions? we'rryterest in the case. they obviously have deeply explored the issues. i feel that we got our chance to make our case and since our case s'm hopeful that the court will do the right thing and strike down the individual mandate. anything else? >> how did you feel about the arguments today? >> as i said, i think obviously all the justices were very informed and very active. i think their questions went right to t matter. since i think we've got basic and better first principal responses. i'm hoping that that will carry the day when they write the opinion. >> did they surprise you? >> no. i think both sides pretty much staked out their positions in the briefing and the prior arguments. obviously the new level of sophistication by the individual justices. but i think the issues were squarely presented before and i think they were adequately addressed in the argument. >> any thoughts one way or another? >> i never make predictions. >> i wanted to also introduce to you, i'm karen, i run nfib's small business lega